World: r3wp

There would be no collaboration on this machine between rebol programmers. 
Two programmers, one using rebol and python (me), the other using 
perl. And of course we are using the same setup, because all scripts 
are being uploaded to any of a number of linux or sun system servers, 
all of which use the same convention: #!/usr/bin/[interpreter]. I 
fully understand Sunanda's approach, but in the case of rebol.org, 
there are many programmers working from multiple machines in multiple 
OSs. I think the the c:\usr\bin approach will work fine for our humble 
endeavor.

Having said that, I want to eventually study Sunanda's approach more, 
because I want to eventually set up a rebol-based system for uploading 
that will handle she-bangs *and* dependencies.

BTW: Rebol.org seems to be progressing very well. If progress continues, 
I envision something as sophisticated (and hopefully easier to use) 
as CPAN. Keep up the good work.

Tim: A general purpose uploader would be very useful.

I'll drop you some notes privately on some ideas for what it should/could 
do.

Sunanda: I quote you from another forum: Tim: A general purpose uploader 
would be very useful. I'll drop you some notes privately on some 
ideas for what it should/could do.....Looking forward to it! My idea 
is of a cgi upload script that for any cgi script, first checks a 
web site and compares timedate stamps, checking to make sure that 
dependencies are current and if not, makes them also available for 
upload. BTW: Some time ago on the rebol ML,

there was reference to an enhanced FTP module. Does that ring a bell? 
<grin> or was that you?

I think that was probbaly Romano and his FTP patches:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlDKCQ


I'm convinved that an FTP program alone isn't enough.  You need an 
intelligent program at at each of the pipe......Sounds like you are 
thinking the same way.

i use two mirror-directories. one is a full mirror of the website. 
in the second fresh uplods are stored. i put them there by comparing 
the upload-files with the ones in the full mirror. then i scp to 
the website.

Sunanda - Thanks. I think that is what  I was looking for allright.

Does anyone have an idea how one can get the timezone a particular 
server is on (in an automated way) ? eg. What timezone is www.lexicon.net 
in ?

I suspect you will have to look up the ip address in an ip map and 
guess from there

that web site reports the time in GMT

by what method ?

opening it

Ah, you are right:
>> port/locals/headers/date
== "Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:45:11 GMT"

thanks. I wonder how standard this behaviour is... let's see...

looking good so far, must do more tests..

The reason I wanted to know was because I'd like exists-thru? to 
be able to calculate the age of a remote document, so it can compare 
with the locally cached version.

isn't there an http statement for that?

head ?

http://www.rebol.org/library/scripts-download/http-head.r

ahh.. the author jumps in :)

Very good. It's short too.

how does 'info? work .. a similar way?

'http-head should probably parse out the port for the web server 
and if  it is not there, only then default to 80

yes it should

I'll update it

oh well, an exercise for the gentle reader

precious few of those around

readers??

gentle readers anyway

we're a pretty tame lot here ... good job Terry is around to wake 
us up now and then

updated

OUTLINE OF SCAPEGOATING PSYCHO-DYNAMICS

In scapegoating, feelings of guilt, aggression, blame and suffering 
are transferred away from a person or group so as to fulfill an unconscious 
drive to resolve or avoid such bad feelings. This is done by the 
displacement of responsibility and blame to another who serves as 
a target for blame both for the scapegoater and his supporters. The 
scapegoating process can be understood as an example of the Drama 
Triangle concept [Karpman, 1968].
http://www.scapegoat.demon.co.uk/

Wake up ;)

I really like the bit in the middle where they discuss the merits 
and flaws of JavaScript versus CSS for site interactivity.

Yeah, Terry is responsible to the delays at RT

The Story of Andrés Escobar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%E9s_Escobar

(or Did Bill Buckner Lose the 1986 World Series)

What's the best web log analyzer to use? I have tried: wusage (well, 
it works but I'm not that happy with hit), webalizer (quite OK), 
analog (quite OK). But I haven't found the silver bullet yet.

(I hope this is the right group to post this in.)

I have a problem, when reading a file on another computer thru a 
shared drive. I'm sitting on a Windows client, and the file is on 
a UNIX server. First time I read the file, it's ok. Then if the file 
is updated on the UNIX server, I still get the old version on the 
client.

I've tried the read-thru/update command, but it doesn't solve the 
problem. Maybe read-thru/update doesn't work with shared drives? 
My code looks like this:

read-thru/update %/u/adv71-20/data/invoice.txt

Any ideas?

(It's possible to distribute a sync from the server to the client, 
and then I'll get the new version of the file. But I'll like to be 
able to get the new version from the client.)

It seems, my problem is only with Win98. Even a normal read works 
on Win2000 and WinXP.
And then you tell me: DON'T use Win98, right? ;-)

yes ;-)

Robert, we use AWStats.
http://awstats.sourceforge.net/


what are the things that you are looking for that does not exists 
in the pkgs you have mentioned.

I want a report to give me a good overview about the year, current 
month etc. AWStats looks good in this. I like the visits and sample 
trials reports of wusage. Shows how people browse your site.


Clicks-to-result must be as low as possible. Simple to install, configure 
and use.

I also use AWStats  has been fine for my purposes

Geomol, READ-THRU is mainly for urls. READ-THRU file   operates almost 
just like  READ file. Anyway, I recommend just use READ, if you want 
the latest contents.  If it is true what you say, then it looks like 
there is some caching by Win98 or the driver for the shared drive. 
(So, outside rebol's control). However, perhaps you could force a 
sync by "touching" the file you are interested in reading first. 
By "touching" I mean use set-modes to change one of the file-modes, 
eg:

>> print mold get-modes %a 'file-modes

[creation-date access-date modification-date owner-write archived 
hidden system]
>> set-modes %afile [archived: true]
>> set-modes %afile [archived: false]
>> get-modes %afile 'archived
== false

So the idea is just look at the ARCHIVED mode, toggle it, then set 
it back to how it was. Hopefully that will wake the outside caching 
mechanism up and you can get your fresh data.

Good suggestions, Anton! Yes, I'm pretty sure, it's outside REBOL's 
control, as I sometimes see strenge behaviour (for example regarding 
file locking) in other programs. The intra-network, I'm doing those 
things in, is a combined Win98-Win2000-WinXP network with a few UNIX 
servers present. The way, we share drives, is the standard Windows 
way using the SMB protocol (using Samba on the UNIX servers). I've 
for a long time suggested, that they do it the UNIX way and install 
NFS clients on the PCs in stead. I tried to install some ProNFS client 
yesterday, but couldn't get it to work (probably because of some 
lame Windows authentification, maybe also encrypted passwords).


It could be interesting to see, if the cache problem dissappear when 
using NFS.

Is read-thru a new mezz?

no, an old one.