World: r3wp

well, one of carl's original issues looks just as bad with this search 
engine: http://129.33.196.33/search/?query=construct

I can't find Carl's desired http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/functions/construct.html
at all in above results :)

Seems parts of the R3 docs are not (yet?) indexed: http://129.33.196.33/search/?query=url%3Aconstruct

I looked at the html source and it should clearly float to the top. 
 strange... 

its got everything needed to be scored high (title, H1, and many 
counts of construct in the page).

Andreas, you're right... same with using a title search with construct. 
 it returns nothing.

Last crawled  	31 December 1969 16:00:00.000 PST
Crawler status 	760 - Excluded by crawl space definition

Parser and index status 	0 - The document has not been added to the 
index.

Looks like my rules were too tight

Hmm.. I had not exclusion rules for rebol.com ... you sure that there 
isn't a no robots directive higher in this path?

Adding http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/....

if this construct page can't be found by any of the search engines 
... is there a no robots directive ?

Looking for construct now brings up http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/functions/construct.html
as the top item

33.36k pages indexed

Collection is now 834mb ( 5, 138 documents )

5, 183

cool, we get both functions near the top (R2 & R3) so looks like 
the search engine is stepping up its results  :-)

Try searching for beer on this engine as opposed to google!

There's a lot to be said for a custom site specific search engine.

Try searching for "beer" alone ... I found out how to do suggested 
links

featured links

Looks like you can have a great deal of fun setting up the search 
engine parameters

If you can get to them from the root, then they are fair game, unless


.....they have a rel=nofollow......We have that on a few simply because 
they duplicate content (eg viewing a script, viewing a script in 
color, downloading a script


....Mailing list -- best to index either the individual posts (http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-message.r) 
or the complete threads (http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r) 
but not both.


....you may get a __lot__ of duplication when spidering the AltME 
archive as every post has a URL, but we display in batches of 50.....So 
perhaps only spider URLs like
http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp291xNNNN
when NNNN is 1, 51, 101, 151, etc....


....I think You already have indexed the ML as on REBOL.,net and 
Carl's latest 300 AltME messages, eg
   http://mail.rebol.net/cgi-bin/mail-list.r?msg=45305
   http://host4.altme.com/altweb/rebol3/chat771.html

It would be better _not_ to have index those; it just creates duplicates 
once you have indexed the equivalents on REBOL.org (especially as 
the AltMe last 300 goes out of date so quickly).

Tell me what is unclear there!

[oops -- that was meant for Graham, privately]

I wondered if that were the case

I've already indexed the mailing list on rebol.net so I guess I should 
avoid ml-display-thread.r and display-message.r

I think the REBOL.org archive is a better place to send people than 
then REBOL.net one for the ML (it has threads not just messages in 
id sequence).
So perhaps index REBOL.org's then drop the REBOL.net one?

not sure how to drop something ...

Must be possible --- whe pages or sites are removed, or if they later 
post robots.txt exclusions.

interesting, I don't see it documented but it does use site:

site:rebol.org sunanda

Interestingly this search engine has a REST interface so you can 
wrap your own custom search around it.  95k pages and still going 
...

has anyone did anything about openId with rebol ?

Any pointers of how to incorporate PayPal payment method into one's 
website?

paypal has an example. It's pretty easy.

http://www.diigo.com


Looks like an interesting way to add annotations to rebol.com etc 
and share them with others without actually altering the pages

If you add a public annotation, then any diigo enabled browser will 
see them.

umm.. perhaps you have to do something ..
how about this ?  http://diigo.com/0ca2d

looks pretty nice, but the question (as for so many other web apps) 
is - will it be there tomorrow if I put all my stuff on it?

I think this fear of having to redo a bunch of effort is keeping 
quite a few sites from really breaking through - you only feel confident 
about these kind of features from already established sites

that's why my view is that you should always own your stuff - the 
cloud should only be used as a temporary cache, or when you need 
grid computing  - just some infrastructure that can be easily substituted 
with another

actually for grid computing, I meant when you need huge power - otherwise, 
a grid of personal computing devices could constitute a powerful 
enough grid

I guess if one wanted this sort of security ... one would want your 
private data copied from their S3 store to your own somehow.

they've been running for 4 years now .. so I guess that's a little 
reassurance

@Gabriele - I'd like to hear your comments on what this article says 
(in sec 2.3) about allowing some basic expressions in the view, wrt 
your templating engine?


http://www.simple-is-better.org/template/#why-if-for-calculations-etc-are-necessary-in-the-view

In my approach, the mapping between the data and the "view" is defined 
by a dialect. I guess, one might want to make at least part of that 
mapping part of the view; this does not change the fact that the 
template file can then be simple HTML.

Formatting

 to me does not seem a templating issue though. It's about localization 
 and customization (different users will want different formats for 
 dates, and almost everything else). So, this is a completely separate 
 axis. As Carl often says... the problem is multidimensional, reducing 
 it just to "model" and "view" is not really going to work.

(for example, when he says that "the calculation of a subtotal belogs 
to the view", i disagree that the actual code to compute the sum 
belongs to the view. the view should allow for declaratively defining 
such kind of things. page subtotals, for example, was a feature i 
intended to have in PDF Maker 2 tables - since you don't know where 
the table is going to be split at, the engine has to be able to do 
the work for you.)

has anyone here worked on a firefox plugin before?

any tips for wget tool allowing to go via form authentication? We 
need to make off-line copy of one site. The site works only from 
one PC at a time from our organisation, it seems it uses cookies 
or so ....

use the cookie-enabled http protocols on rebol.org (by Cyphre IIRC)

what for? :-) we have wget like tool for rebol?

building the wget is trivial in rebol... but you still need the http 
calls to support cookies.  though we can probably probe the headers 
for cookie returns in newer R2 versions.

Petr, I think you need to take a look into curl stuff for this.