World: r3wp

and now we have freedesktop.org and other standards organizations. 
I think basically it's like shoveling crap uphill. I wonder if it 
will get anywhere.

It's an improvement, but as you suspect, far from ideal

I think the Ubuntu guys are doing a good job. the problem is that 
there are 20 other organizations that are almost doing the same jobs. 
it's an incredible waste of time and effort.

I think we should take AROS and change its name.

Well, there's exchange of work. The theory in open source is that 
a certain amount of duplication of work is accepted, because there 
are many volunteers. What bothers me more is that the resulting products 
are so bad

maybe  ARIX  and say its based on linux but everything was fixed 
  ;-D

the products are bad because there is no focus or leader with strong 
visions. it happens occasionally, such as with the XGL desktop work 
done by Novell. They flat out stated that it would have sucked to 
do it among the community. Yet the community responded negatively, 
because the work was not initially shared.


sometimes I think they just can't see that the cathedral model of 
development can be much better if design is very critical. this is 
the biggest gripe I have with open source.

it sucks because those with the vision can only do so much on their 
time.  although everyone is happy to say free things are great, free 
things aren't worth any $$ and thus, you get none to feed your children 
when you work on them.

That's not how open source is financed

depends on the projects.

Exactly

Ironically, our cathedral-designed Syllable project is a full volunteer 
effort

Funding comes from companies, who all want some influence for it, 
so you get a bazaar model

what happens when 2 companies want the opposite feature?

The community decides. That's the nicest part of it, a certain fairness

how does one start up in level 3 and not level 5 ?

I can type init 3 once I'm in 5 ...

look under /etc/rc.d/rc5.d

that will be the folder for level 5 stuffs

something in /etc/inittab, but in my deb it only says
# The default runlevel.
id:2:initdefault:

seems the 2 in that line sets the level. http://www.linuxfibel.de/booten.htm
(german).

http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse91/suselinux-adminguide/html/ch13s05.html

yes, looks like. initdefault

Guess what software Osama Bin Laden uses on his laptop?

http://shelleytherepublican.com/2006/04/linux-european-threat-to-our-computers.html

:-)

I can believe this kind of thinking, funny though ;-)

What's a good linux to install on a Pentium II 300MHz  64MB RAM  
3Gig disk ?  It's for my flatmate to browse the web.

some guy tested Linux distros on old machine ...
http://www.linux.com/print.pl?sid=06/02/13/1854251

the choice of WM will be the key factor, I think.

This is good, thankyou.

www.vectorlinux.com

I've decided to try Slackware first, so I'm downloading that.

Ok, I've installed Slackware (all the files, apps etc.) onto a Linux 
ext2 partition, marked as Bootable.  But when I reboot, BIOS says 
"Missing operating system" (boot order is CD, C, floppy)

Bit confused by that.

I chose not to install LILO, because the instructions made it sound 
like it wasn't necessary. Is that necessary ?

I think it is.

yes, either LILO or GRUB

thanks, looking into installing lilo now.

Looks like there's no way to install lilo if you skip it in setup. 
Unclear and misleading comments in the setup notes.

I have reinstalled successfully from scratch. It seems to me I made 
two errors the first time around: I had skipped installing both the 
linux kernel and lilo bootmanager.

Woohoo ! Slackware box is up and browsing to rebol.net ! :-) That 
was pretty easy.

ok...i am a total newbie here.  i am trying to get rebol .r scripts 
to run on a Mandrake linux box, but i just cannot get them to run. 
 they basically only work as text documents.  am i missing something? 
 i installed rebol view, which as i understand it installs core also. 
 i want to be able to doulble-click the .r file and have it run. 
 it works in windows.  thanks in advance.

the wonderful world of linux... what I had to do was to make scripts 
as shellscripts with the shebang line at the top with the path to 
the rebol executable. there is a mention of this in the Rebol/Core 
manual here: http://rebol.com/docs/core23/rebolcore-2.html

This should work across the various desktops.

looks like rebol/view ubuntu version runs fine on ubuntu dapper

it's definitely more stable than some of the gnome apps... :-)

Unfortunately, the shebang is the wrong way around in the REBOL manual. 
The best form to use is

#! /usr/bin/env rebol

This should be the most system independent

ok...so now i am in the midst of another issue

i tried to install rebol last night and it did not appear to work. 
 i left for the day and was going to deal with it today

now the HD is full

it was not full yesterday, but it is now

we are trying to figure out where all the space went to now