World: r3wp

A well, this is too bad. The Debian distro is on DVD, but the computer 
does not have a DVD, only CDROM.

I've scanned the Debian docs, which are quite good, but found no 
mention of how to create a CDROM from the DVDROM.

Sniffing around, it looks like they merged all the CDROM pool files 
into a single huge main directory.

So, there goes the idea of pulling out a single CDROM image somehow... 
unless I can figure out the package dependencies.

I suppose perhaps the alternative is to build a boot floppy and install 
over FTP from the box that has the dvdrom. It's been years since 
I had to do that. Too bad Debian doesn't provide a little script 
to cut CDROMS from the DVD. I've got to guess I'm not the only person 
with this issue.

And you have to wonder why they need a 10GB distro. "Just give me 
the main system and libs please" - no bloatedness, thanks.

You could go with Knoppix or Ubuntu, which are both debian-based, 
but fit on a floppy.

whoa

cd rom, not floppy.

Wow. Big difference there, total brain fart.

I've got Ubuntu already.

It's not a great dev system.

True, but can't you add what you need via apt-get or the GUI?  think 
the GUI is called "Adept" or just "Package Manager"

The libc bits on an up-to-date "Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS (v. 3 
for x86)"  
 


-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      1144368 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so

-rw-r--r--    1 root     root       426620 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a

-r-xr-xr-x    1 root     root       408440 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           30 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 
-> libstdc++-2-libc6.1-1-2.9.0.so

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           30 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.a.3 
-> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.a

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           31 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 
-> libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           20 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 
-> libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      1025339 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++.so.2.8 
-> libstdc++.so.2.8.0

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       375773 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++.so.2.8.0

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           22 Dec 22  2004 libstdc++.so.2.9 
-> libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         5428 Mar 24  2004 libstdc++.so.2.9.dummy

lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Sep 29 18:51 libstdc++.so.5 
-> libstdc++.so.5.0.3

-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       709456 Jul 19  2005 libstdc++.so.5.0.3

Im pretty sure it is up to version 4  by now though

Brian, I did. That's were the current rebol-ubuntu came from. Problem 
is, it does not seem that standard. Most of the Linux boxes here 
won't run it.

This may be a wild goose hunt. Hard to say. I'd just like to have 
something a bit more standard for our Linux distro.

How about Gentoo?

Mandriva

Carl, you can download a minimal installation CD for Debian that 
will install extra packages over the Internet:

http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html

Personally I would temporarily hook up a DVD drive to that machine, 
though

Another, easy, option would be MEPIS Linux. It's much closer to Debian 
than Ubuntu, although based on a newer version than the stable version. 
And very easy to install

Gentoo +1

Well as I said befor... Slackware and debian are the only two with 
unmodified lib and kernel structures.. and are great development 
envs...a pitty though about that dvd from debian..

Well its all abuot what your useto in using ;-)

people who startout using Ubuntu, Fedora or Redhat find themselfs 
In an Linux world that not even default with i.e. Disk-Structures 
on Tru64 or Solaris or HPUX.. while using other Linux distributions 
from around 1995 they stick with the UNIX system (IV|V) layout..But 
when it comes to development I can emagine to make a choice between 
"package handling" and "environment handling"... Then I would stick 
with debian..just has a better package manager...where slackware 
is a little more the "do it yourself package manager.." still 'tar 
does wonderful things.. for the user...

Btw... Thats why I like BSD above all ;-)

Knoppix can be installed and is is then a debian, so the rest can 
be apt-getted. damn small linux claims the same. Kanotix is a knoppix 
specially made for that. no guaratees..

Let me back up a bit.  No Linux wars here please.  I have about 10 
different Linux distros running..

However, all the newer ones give me problems. Here is why: I used 
to be able to build Libc6 and Libc5, and that was all that was necessary. 
 However, now if I build on Ubuntu and run it on Mandrake, it crashes... 
and every other combination.

So, I studied the situation a bit, and found that Debian is really 
the meat behind a lot of these distros, and someone I trust suggested 
that Debian made a better dev platform and would provide the perfect 
build standard for us.

I have every package  for the current Debian release here. All 10GB 
of it. I do not want to download anything from the net, nor should 
that be necessary..

But, I do not have a DVD on the target machine, only CDROM. The distro 
is on DVD, so I need to create a CDROM set from the DVD.

I searched far and wide on the net, and found no info at all on how 
to do this.  I even wrote a REBOL script as a mini Linux package 
manager, because boiling down 10GB to .7GB is no small task.

But, it became clear to me that the package database does not appear 
specific enough to be able to generate a solid set of packages in 
that manner.

I also built the floppy set, and figured I would use my own local 
Debian archivel site from a different local machine.  So, mounted 
the DVD on one system and published it with HTTP, and the floppy 
boot worked, found the host, but the installer rejected the archive.

So, it was crash and burn.  I have better things to do right now 
that screw around with Linux. So, it's on hold.

what is the problem to buy a dvd drive these days? :-) It is really 
cheap even here in CZ :-)

Carl, you can buy Debian for $30 at http://www.1stdebian.com/, but 
at that price you can also buy a DVD Drive for your target mmachine 
;-)

exactly - I know Carl talks about principles ... but why to loose 
your time with fighting to get things stripped down to CD? I would 
go and bug DVD drive ....

To recap, most of the newest "user friendly" distros are based on 
Debian, so Debian is the common denominator for them. If you add 
to the list SuSE (commonly used in Europe), RedHat (and therfore 
Fedora), and Slackware, I would suggest to stick with these for distros 
and build specific version of Rebol for them...

Don't forget Mandrake --> so 5 distros

I meant Mandriva, of course ;-)

the problem is that normally a person makes a program and then multiple 
maintainers make sure it runs under certain distros

That's why we call this "Open Source", which is not the case for 
Rebol.

;-)

Yes, and look how nice open source has become these days.  It is 
a huge mess.

Pekr: on DVD, yes I thought of that too.

In fact, I've got DVD drives sitting around here.

But, the last thing I do is start taking the hardware box apart for 
a simple software install problem.