World: r3wp

We have a USB stack, but few specific USB drivers, so only USB mice 
and mass storage devices like memory sticks are supported right now

There are drivers for UHCI, OHCI and EHCI USB 2, so all controllers 
should work

We released Syllable 0.6.0:

http://syllable.org

The most important enhancement is a new rendering architecture for 
the video framework. The contents of windows are now backbuffered 
in the video memory on the video card, so they can be restored much 
faster. Amiga smart window refresh, anyone? :-) But this time it's 
with hardware support

While the user interface was already fast and smooth for relatively 
simple windows content, this also makes the experience smooth for 
complicated windows that would otherwise take noticable time to redraw, 
like web browser windows. Currently available on nVidia GeForce, 
Ati Radeon and SiS video drivers

There were also a lot of bug fixes and small enhancements to drivers 
and applications, further approaching a stable platform. Syllable 
should now boot on a lot more machines

We're now officially out of the 0.5.x series, which were meant to 
update our base technology and were thus fairly chaotic. We now have 
a good development platform for the innovations that we have been 
planning

Kaj, does Syllable use any particular library for gfx? I don't remember 
what you said. am I right you considered even agg, but then your 
gfx guru decided to go his own way?

that smart buffering thing sounds interesting. Maybe similar aproach 
could be taken for View :-) ... well, one day ... maybe :-)

We have just a few rendering functions, but they're deeply integrated 
with the video driver framework, now with backbuffering. When we 
add more functions they may need the same deep integration for the 
best result, and then we can't use an existing library directly. 
Of course, you can still use existing libraries on top of our framework, 
but that's not the most efficient solution

For example, I just ported SDL_gfx, a fairly powerful drawing library, 
but it's on top of SDL and SDL is ported on top of our system

View is also not the most efficient because it has to be portable

let's hope new blitting at least is in the pipeline for View ......

Kaj - can I boot Syllable from CD or do I have to have partition 
for it?

No, just boot the live CD to try it. Only there's no live CD for 
0.6.0 yet, and the 0.5.7 one is taken offline until that happens

ok, so I will wait .... Syllable seems to be getting better and better. 
I will give it a try around Christmas, when I have some time to not 
work, but enjoy :-)

I will put a notice here when the live CD is out

I released a binary package of the new Orca version 0.0.22 for Syllable:

http://kamidake.other-space.com/display_entry.php?id=336

We just released Syllable 0.6.0a, an update to fix a number of small 
issues with 0.6.0:

http://syllable.org

Kaj - there is a OSNews article, which suggests SkyOS is better route, 
because it is backed by commercial company or so ... did not agree, 
but I have not yet read the discussion ...

Ah, I'll have a look

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11085

There are those people who seem to think that all good comes from 
companies, however small and whatever their track record

Well, I'm such a small company, so does that count? :-)

:-)

Of course, Linus has never been a company. He was a student in a 
smelly dorm room with the curtains shut all day while developing 
Linux

Why is software backed by a corporation a better route? Because in 
theory you can sue them, and decision makers are usually lazy and 
techically illetarate, so they prefer to have legal ways to assert 
themselves in case of need. I think thats part of the reason that 
RedHat succeed with Linux.

Kaj - I will open group for syncing here, I want to gather some links 
... few weeks ago you had interesting comments here (groove etc.) 
- would you find some links to submit?

I'm not sure that is the case.

Eh, what did I say? :-)

If you want to contact someone, a company will have phones etc ...

Oh yes, I gave some overview that isn't readily available in such 
a compact form

I have phones...

developers here sometimes disappear for ages before resurfacing.

Companies sometimes do as well, especially in Amiga circles ;-)

hmm, now consider RT .... from language development pov, open-source 
could be better, you say that from decision makers, the company could 
be better. My experience with top management is, that they want some 
references, case studies, etc., where RT is completly loosing ... 
I don't buy that their customers don't want them to tell what company 
uses their products. I have never seen anything like that ...

Kru, is your phone listed on the syllable pages ?

Kru?

Kaj :)

Brent just posted his phone number on our public mailing list...

only two letters out :)

at least here in CZ, or maybe it is more of an EU nature, simply 
managers want references or case studies. Last slides of most product 
presentations is - who else does use it? Pages full of logos. It 
is even usual, that during the contract phase, parties agree to even 
accept some reference business trips from other parties. It works, 
managers feel safe, that they are not alone using the solution ... 
well, marketing ...

Pekr: maybe their customers are mafia and/or military and these organistaions 
are very typically shy of their activities ;o)))

To call him for server performance during the holidays. That's dedication, 
isn't it?

My phone number is readily available from WhoIs, I guess

Dedication, but for companies, that is the norm.

AMD would be cool reference for IOS - but well, RT's site sucks anyway 
....  not business oriented :-)