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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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TomBon 27-Jan-2012 [2671] | microkernel architecture and selfhealing. perhaps the real hurd? ;-) |
Evgeniy Philippov 27-Jan-2012 [2672x3] | self-healing is one important property to study; yes. |
but microkernels are unavoidable. everything will have them with time. | |
Processors will evolve to provide a fast zero-copy read-only safe access to kernel's memory for usermode processes. | |
Kaj 28-Jan-2012 [2675] | Yes, Haiku's VESA driver is known to be fast. It could be interesting to port it to Syllable |
Evgeniy Philippov 7-Feb-2012 [2676] | BTW What areas are strong in Syllable over Haiku and in Haike over Syllable? |
Kaj 7-Feb-2012 [2677x3] | They're quite alike and their development state is also quite alike. I can't really list all the details, as I only test Haiku once every few years or so, when they make a new alpha release |
What I consider the biggest differentiator is that I have been pushing Syllable to use REBOL like languages for many years. Red programs can run on it, Boron is included, soon REBOL 3 (now on the live CD) and the packager is written in ORCA | |
And of course, I created Syllable Server, an extra Linux companion that Haiku doesn't have | |
Pekr 7-Feb-2012 [2680x3] | And Kaj, now honestly you can tell me (decide for yourself, as this group is web public), why some ppl (or it's actually just one person) blames you from demotivating others? I always wonder, how such a thing as REBOL can make core developers to leave? What do you think about the topic? (not neccessary belonging into vent) |
I expect Vanders and eventually others leaving projects, just because they had different priorities in life? | |
As for Syllable vs Haiku - I am not sure those can be compared, community wise. Feature wise maybe, but I expect Haiku community being vital,no? On the other hand, as for all the alternative OS developmens - what is their target? Just a hobby? With tonnes of mobile devices out there, is there any chance they can find their commercial niche? | |
Kaj 7-Feb-2012 [2683x3] | That's a very long story. I can't speak for the motivation of the Haiku developers, and I can't predict the future of Syllable, so I won't try |
As to how trolls are born, as you suspect, people left the project for different priorities, and for many different reasons | |
People leave volunteer projects all the time, and it's very easy for a troll to make it seem like it has something to do with the people remaining. Suffice it to say that this is motivated by their own feelings of inferiority, and far beside the truth | |
Kaj 13-Feb-2012 [2686x5] | I'm releasing a new Syllable Desktop development build tomorrow. Here's a torrent download: |
http://downloads.syllable.org/development/SyllableDesktop-0.6.7-2012.02.14.i586.iso.7z?torrent | |
Here's the development files pack, needed for compiling software: | |
http://downloads.syllable.org/development/SyllableDesktop-0.6.7-2012.02.14-development.i586.zip?torrent | |
REBOL 3 is now in there, as on the live CD, including my cURL binding. I upgraded Boron to the latest version. ORCA is also still in there, for the Syllable package manager. I also added Fossil and many other components | |
GrahamC 13-Feb-2012 [2691] | Red/system? |
PeterWood 13-Feb-2012 [2692] | The Red/System compiler is written in REBOL 2 which I don't think runs on Syllable desktop. Some work would probably needed even if REBOL 2 is there. |
Kaj 14-Feb-2012 [2693x2] | Yes, there's no R2, but if there were, Red/System would work. It will be included in the next Syllable Server |
If Red/System takes a long time to be rewritten in Red, it might be an option to get it to run on R3, so it would run on Syllable Desktop | |
GrahamC 14-Feb-2012 [2695x2] | Is that particularly difficult? |
ie. are the differences between R2 and R3 that great ? | |
Kaj 14-Feb-2012 [2697x4:last] | Since Red/System has its own struct! library for R2/Core, I think it should be doable to port it to R3, which also lacks struct! (it's there, but somehow unimplemented) |
Not sure I want to spend time on it, because Red is next in the planning. But if you're looking to help... :-) | |
The announcement is now here: | |
http://development.syllable.org/news/2012-02-15-04-08-Syllable-0.6.7-release-candidate.html | |
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