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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[263]
The fact alone that you have a picture probably means that the driver 
is active, because many laptops with integrated Intel video don't 
have VESA2 support in the BIOS, so there's nothing to fall back on 
for Syllable
Graham
7-Sep-2005
[264]
Maybe the live cd prevents me from changing video resolution?
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[265x3]
Can't you change it, then? You should at least be able to set a few 
more resolutions. With the VESA driver, the resolutions and refresh 
rate are just more limited
You do have to log in as root, though, to use most of the preference 
applets
That's something we should make more flexible, but I fear that most 
people are currently working as root
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[268]
Kaj, what about Open Office port? Is it possible?
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[269]
It will be an awful lot of work, but it should happen someday, and 
then we will really be in business
Graham
7-Sep-2005
[270]
probably .. but since I didn't know the root password, I was logged 
in as user.
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[271x2]
OpenOffice 2 is a good candidate, though, because they've made the 
GUI much more native
ABIWord will probably happen first, though
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[273]
Because what I expect from usable OS is: browser, communication tool 
(IRC, ICQ, ...), audio software, some office suite (it's needed sometimes), 
REBOL and some games (or UAE ;). That's what I'm using 99% of time.
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[274]
Pretty similar to my requirements. We're getting there, but it will 
take a while. We do have a stated goal for this year to get the system 
ready to be the primary system for ourselves
Rebolek
7-Sep-2005
[275]
that souns great
Kaj
7-Sep-2005
[276x2]
We're on the virge of having reasonable browser, email, chat and 
SDL games. I believe UAE is a priority for our project leader. :-)
If you're familiar with a Unix command line, there are a lot of standard 
CLI and Curses apps you could use to fill the gaps
Graham
9-Sep-2005
[278]
Seems Carl has ported Rebol to run on Genesi's PegasosPPC - see blog. 
 Perhaps you might be in with a chance with Syllable?
Kaj
16-Sep-2005
[279x2]
That's just Core on PPC Linux. Both ports on PPC and on Linux were 
already done, so this is little more than saying that Core 2.6 still 
builds successfully on those systems
Still, porting Core to Syllable would likely not be very difficult
Graham
16-Sep-2005
[281x2]
Perhaps you might be able to persuade Carl then  if it is likely 
not too difficult.
Then Syllable can use core as default scripting language.
Kaj
16-Sep-2005
[283]
No, we couldn't. It would have to be open source. There's no point 
in Syllable being open source if we would accept closed source into 
the base system
Volker
20-Oct-2005
[284]
VMware offers free "player". Maybe that is a way to distribute syllable 
too? http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[285x2]
Yes, I saw it. It means that more people can try Syllable in VMware. 
We have a VMware image, but it's an old Syllable version. Someday 
somebody will update it
Unfortunately, this afternoon, trying to install the VMware player 
destroyed my Ubuntu Linux installation
Volker
20-Oct-2005
[287]
Oops.
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[288]
Back to Windows, cut off from my work of the past month. Not too 
keen about trying VMware again
Volker
20-Oct-2005
[289]
Knoppix to get at it?
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[290]
Yes, I'll be able to get the files, I think, but it was my new work 
environment since a month
Volker
20-Oct-2005
[291]
How much work to reinstall? And is there a spare machine for installation 
experiments?
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[292]
Yes, but I don't have time for that. Any system or subsystem that 
destroys any part of my work is not worth my consideration
Volker
20-Oct-2005
[293x2]
Now to know that beforehand..
ANd thanks for the hind. I try that more carefull now.
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[295x2]
It wants root, like all the Linux installers. It can do what it wants, 
and it does
I'll have to repair it, but I wasn't planning on doing this kind 
of repair ever
Volker
20-Oct-2005
[297]
Yes, this general root-installation is madness. But in case of vmware 
it may need patched kernel.
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[298x7]
If it had asked for that I would have been more suspicious. It only 
wanted to compile an extra kernel module. Which is bad enough, but 
it should only have been additional
It has destroyed the system configuration files. I'll have to look 
at those
The effect it had was eerie. When I moved a file in the Gnome filer, 
the hard disk stopped running and wouldn't come back when rebooting
I thought the disk was dead, but it was just crashed during normal 
operation. After power cycling it was OK
I don't like installing a program that way...
Trying to run VidaLinux has the same effect on my disk
I don't like an operating system that does that
BrianH
20-Oct-2005
[305x3]
VMware doesn't really support being hosted on Debian-based distributions 
right now, never has.
I would be surprised if the stock installer didn't trash Debian-based 
Linux.
There is probably some third-party info about how to get it running 
though.
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[308]
The main accompanying image ot this VMplayer release is an Ubuntu 
Hoary image. So I didn't see anything wrong with installing the player 
on Hoary. The requirements mention Linux - no warning at all
BrianH
20-Oct-2005
[309]
VMware supports just about any Linux as a client with no difficulty. 
However, it requires a bit of hacking and testing to host VMware, 
so they have only done so on a few stable, commercial distributions 
like RedHat and SUSE.
Kaj
20-Oct-2005
[310x2]
If that's so, it would have been easy to produce a warning on any 
other system, before destroying it...
The installer was 3,000 lines of PERL code, the configurator another 
10,000 lines. It should have fit in there, I would think
BrianH
20-Oct-2005
[312]
If they wanted to support Debian, they would have provided a .deb 
- .tar.gz packages always need a little hacking. They do document 
their restrictions on their web site.