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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Kaj 22-Jan-2012 [2628x2] | You get a sort of family box, such as a D-Link, that handles the connection method and provides a standard ethernet hub for the whole house |
Routers you can buy separately all have PPPoE capability for a number of years | |
Evgeniy Philippov 22-Jan-2012 [2630] | I was choosing the most cheap providers (but not the most cheap Internet connection badnwidth). |
Kaj 22-Jan-2012 [2631] | So when that changes in Russia, Syllable will boom there ;-) |
Evgeniy Philippov 22-Jan-2012 [2632x5] | In the Russia, there is normally one computer per family, and in some cases a few computers per family. |
Heh. qemu emulation of Syllable under gNewSense is 50 times faster than under latest LUBUNTU. Probably because kvm module fails to be active under LUBUNTU. | |
This speed is visible by mouse cursor responsivity. | |
*responsiveness | |
Another guess is that LUBUNTU was 64-bit OS emulating 32-bit Syllable. The gNewSense is 32-bit. | |
Kaj 22-Jan-2012 [2637x2] | Yes, when I tested several years ago, the kernel module made emulation roughly twenty times faster |
Does Syllable recognise your QEmu video emulation? It should on newer QEmu versions, probably as VMware graphics | |
Evgeniy Philippov 22-Jan-2012 [2639x2] | I don't have VMware, and I don't usually use pirated software (i.e. no way to run VMWare). |
Now Syllable is in VESA mode at QEMU. QEMU is set to one of the two QEMU's possible graphics cards: "Cirrus Logic GD 5446 PCI VGA video card". The other (unselected) video card possible is "stdvga (stdbga/vesa)". | |
GrahamC 22-Jan-2012 [2641x2] | vmware server is free is it not? |
free to use .. | |
Evgeniy Philippov 22-Jan-2012 [2643] | I don't know. |
GrahamC 22-Jan-2012 [2644] | http://downloads.vmware.com/d/info/desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_player/4_0#open_source Unsupported |
Evgeniy Philippov 23-Jan-2012 [2645x8] | I consider the following features of Syllable as its strongest points: 1) Simplicity, and 2) having a precise target: desktop OS. Targetlessness makes a bad thing to operating systems... (Though I didn't think too much on strongest points, and I don't know much.) |
Internal simplicity, I mean. | |
Kaj: could you draw a total Syllable high-level architecture overview diagram (i.e. levels and subsystems)? Is such a diagram present at Syllable docs? | |
Such a diagram could be published on a Syllable development site, in the About section. | |
As in: bird view diagram. | |
Kaj: What is better --- to take latest sources of Syllable, or to take stable network sources? I am hesitating | |
That's re: network stack | |
I think I will now work with stable ones | |
Kaj 23-Jan-2012 [2653x5] | If you have only one Syllable system, it's best to use the stable 0.6.6 release |
However, if you can have multiple installations, development work is best done on the development build. The kernel headers have changed a lot, which affects the source code of system modules | |
The development build lacks some parts, though. Most notably cURL, so that the Webster browser doesn't work | |
If you want to install a development build, you may want to wait a week. I intend to have a new one for the Syllable Conference coming weekend | |
We don't have a Syllable architecture diagram. It would be nice to have one, but unfortunately, I have many other priorities. However, much BeOS documentation applies to Syllable, especially the overall architecture. Haiku keeps a lot of such documentation, such as the BeBook | |
Evgeniy Philippov 23-Jan-2012 [2658x2] | I prefer to work with stable version first, to not encounter clashes with newborn bugs. If I get to anything working, I would like to merge it with the development version. So I will not currently install a development version. I have one computer with four hard drives and multiple partitions, one QEMU Syllable installation, and one native HDD Syllable installation. |
newborn bugs --- i.e. those bugs caused by other developers. | |
Evgeniy Philippov 27-Jan-2012 [2660x2] | I've tested Haiku. 1) It does not have pppoe out of the box, and afair on its forums there is an unfulfilled request for pppoe. 2) Haiku uses VESA mode on my machine, supports more modes than Syllable, and is MUCH MUCH faster re: windows dragging with mouse than Syllable. Haiku reports: VESA version = 3.0, capabilities 1. Haiku allows for 1280x1024x32 mode while Syllable only allows 1280x800 mode and shows a black screen in 1280x1024 mode. |
Haiku is fast in VESA mode, Syllable is extemely slow re: windows dragging with mouse in vesa mode. | |
TomBon 27-Jan-2012 [2662] | evgeniy, have you looked to minix3 too? |
Evgeniy Philippov 27-Jan-2012 [2663x3] | not yet. at my plans there's plan9 and inferno, too |
looked at inferno OS. All is bytecode-compiled, therefore rubbish. | |
Plan9 is interesting. | |
Henrik 27-Jan-2012 [2666] | I think Plan9 is now forked into Front9. |
Evgeniy Philippov 27-Jan-2012 [2667] | Minix3. wikipedia: "The main uses of the operating system are envisaged to be embedded systems and education, such as universities or the OLPC XO-1 laptop.[3]" --- not very intreresting goals for me. |
Henrik 27-Jan-2012 [2668] | plan9front is the name, sorry |
Evgeniy Philippov 27-Jan-2012 [2669x2] | My preference are fast FOSS desktop OSes. |
RTOS are also interesing for the abovementioned intent but currently are way above my head. | |
TomBon 27-Jan-2012 [2671] | microkernel architecture and selfhealing. perhaps the real hurd? ;-) |
Evgeniy Philippov 27-Jan-2012 [2672x3] | self-healing is one important property to study; yes. |
but microkernels are unavoidable. everything will have them with time. | |
Processors will evolve to provide a fast zero-copy read-only safe access to kernel's memory for usermode processes. | |
Kaj 28-Jan-2012 [2675] | Yes, Haiku's VESA driver is known to be fast. It could be interesting to port it to Syllable |
Evgeniy Philippov 7-Feb-2012 [2676] | BTW What areas are strong in Syllable over Haiku and in Haike over Syllable? |
Kaj 7-Feb-2012 [2677] | They're quite alike and their development state is also quite alike. I can't really list all the details, as I only test Haiku once every few years or so, when they make a new alpha release |
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