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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

BrianH
23-Sep-2008
[1751]
He has a recent enough processor that it has virtualization extensions, 
so VirtualBox isn't bad on it.
Kaj
23-Sep-2008
[1752x5]
VirtualBox is weird. It has problems running Syllable and it has 
bad performance characteristics
It should work, though, but did he use the VirtualBox boot option?
Did he try Syllable Desktop or Syllable Server?
What were the symptoms and failure messages?
Alphe, EeePC is weird, too. It has some deviating hardware parts, 
so we don't support all hardware, yet. The shipped Xandros Linux 
also has some strange characteristics that make it hard to install 
other systems
shadwolf
23-Sep-2008
[1757x2]
deviant you mean more or less than usual laptop muwwwwwwwahahahahaha 
...
I remember the old days when i was in university 10  years ago and 
i was animating linux install parties with april association ... 
that was always a pain to install linux on laptop
Kaj
23-Sep-2008
[1759]
Various Linux distros have a hard time supporting the EeePC, too
shadwolf
23-Sep-2008
[1760x4]
hum my bro have a eee pc 1000 H and the only problem he face is with 
wifi and he is absolutly not a computer specialist. This can be solved 
by ndiswraper or madwifi patching it
now as he is not a specialist  he can't tell me if  it's ubuntu suport 
the sound properly or the intenal webcam
ok so here is another idea Syllabe on PSP as Homebrew ?
ho ok sorry forget it  ;P that was a joke
Kaj
23-Sep-2008
[1764]
Some ideas take many months to implement
shadwolf
23-Sep-2008
[1765x2]
yes ... ans PSP is worst than a eee PC ...
I mean in the scope of closed hardwar unstandard etc... pda and portable 
consoles like PSP  or DS are a master scale
BrianH
23-Sep-2008
[1767]
He tried Syllable Desktop.
Kaj
23-Sep-2008
[1768]
The install CD or the live CD?
BrianH
23-Sep-2008
[1769x2]
Install CD I think.

It seems to me that different VM platforms require thinner or thicker 
guest additions. VirtualBox seems to require more out of its guest 
code, and works quite badly without it. VMware doesn't require as 
much out of its guest code, so that code is easier to implement, 
and the VM works OK without it.
I told him that you had said that the installer doesn't work very 
well.
Kaj
23-Sep-2008
[1771]
It just needs one or two kernel boot options that aren't on the current 
install CD. He should read the VirtualBox section in our FAQ, or 
use the development build
BrianH
23-Sep-2008
[1772x2]
Those thicker VirtualBox guest additions make the guest a more civilized 
client of the host OS, but without them it doesn't work well.
I tend to need the Server stuff more (auto startup, headless operation, 
remote console), so I don't use VirtualBox myself, nor do I have 
an available computer on which I can install VirtualBox, since all 
compatible computers I own have VMware Server installed, even this 
laptop.
Graham
23-Sep-2008
[1774]
you can co-install virtualbox
BrianH
23-Sep-2008
[1775]
I don't want to - I have enough overhead as it is.
Graham
23-Sep-2008
[1776]
it only takes up hard drive space!
BrianH
23-Sep-2008
[1777x2]
How many virtual network adapters do I need to configure? How many 
bridges? How many DHCP and NAT services?
On this laptop I already have 4 virtual network adapters, 2 physical, 
1 bridge, one DHCP service and 1 NAT. Adding VirtualBox would mean 
adding 1 more virtual adapter, 1 bridge or Internet Connection Sharing 
(another DHCP/NAT service), either of which I would have to reconnect 
manually depending on which physical adapter I am using.
Graham
23-Sep-2008
[1779]
ahhh....
Graham
28-Sep-2008
[1780x2]
Can Syllable run things like vbulletin ?  Needs php and mysql
And can syllable be installed on to such places as slicehost ?
Kaj
28-Sep-2008
[1782x3]
Syllable is now also listed in the distributions list of LWN:
http://lwn.net/Distributions/
Syllable Server can basically run anything Linux can run, but for 
many things there are no binary packages yet
Graham
28-Sep-2008
[1785]
so, you have to compile yourself ?
Kaj
28-Sep-2008
[1786x5]
Yes, according to the regular instructions of a package for Linux
We have a build recipe for PHP, which standardises the procedure, 
but I haven't tried it on Syllable Server yet
You could install Apache for PHP according to the Syllable Server 
manual
If you want to run PHP on Cheyenne, you have to patch it according 
to the Cheyenne instructions
Syllable Server should be fairly easy to install on Slicehost. It 
is my first target for running my own cloud server, so when I get 
to that I will write specific instructions
Graham
28-Sep-2008
[1791]
Please do ... I'll wait till then ... as I don't want any arrows 
in my back!
Kaj
28-Sep-2008
[1792]
You could play the snake, divide the Indians among themselves and 
run the Boa web server. :-) We have a build recipe for it
Graham
28-Sep-2008
[1793]
wrong continent
Pekr
29-Sep-2008
[1794]
Graham - why would you not use some linux distro out there? This 
is nothing against Syllable, but if they are mostly beta, there is 
plenty of Linux distros out there, no? Even some small and stripped 
down ones ...
Graham
29-Sep-2008
[1795x2]
got a point there!
called living on the edge :)
Kaj
29-Sep-2008
[1797]
Which ones have all the REBOL stuff integrated?
Graham
3-Oct-2008
[1798]
Looks like Ubuntu are aiming at the vm hosting platform as well http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos
Kaj
3-Oct-2008
[1799]
Yes, I may have mentioned JeOS here. It's been out for about a year
Oldes
28-Oct-2008
[1800]
Is it possible to install Syllable on bootable SD card?