World: r3wp

right... i don't do a coordinate transformation, that's the reason 
for xbl and ybl in the above snippet

you get xbl (X Bottom Left), ybl, xtr, ytr bound within the graphic 
block

Copyright (c) 2001-2005, Gabriele Santilli

is that pdf-maker1 or 2 ?

http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/PDFM2/pdf-maker.html

Gabriele Santilli <[giesse-:-rebol-:-it]>
17-Nov-2006, 2.34.0

v2 was done between 8-Aug-2006 and 17-Nov-2006

Ok, got it

got the image.

b: layout-pdf [[textbox ["Image: " box 60 60 10 [image xbl ybl 40 
40 load http://www.rebol.com/graphics/reb-logo.gif] " inside text"]]]

That puts the image inside the text correctly. v2 should also give 
you an error when the dialect is wrong, while v1 did just fail silently.

so this syntax doesn't work with pdf maker 1 ?

so I got the silent fail

no. v1 does not flow text automatically across pages, does not allow 
putting graphics within text, does not have the TeX engine, and so 
on.

v1 also does not evaluate arguments to dialect commands so you have 
to use compose etc.

ah... I've been using V1

I have this ...

if not value? 'layout-pdf [ *do %pdf-maker.r ]

v1 is very stable, v2 has never been exstensively tested. so it's 
not a easy choice i guess :)

so Cheyenne already had v1 loaded and didn't load v2 for me !

I'd suggest that perhaps this is because you never managed to write 
the user documentation!

I should have a layout-pdf2 .... so I can use both

v1 had much less docs than v2 :-)

Hmm... quantively or qualitatively?

I think the main reason is that v2 was never really "finished" and 
published as such. it's missing many little things (though, it should 
do all that v1 does and more... it is slower though as it's missing 
optimization and the ability to turn off the TeX engine when you 
don't need it)

a lot of people managed to use V1 .. I've never seen anyone use V2

well... the "tutorial" for v1 mostly works for v2 as well, as it 
only covers very basic functionality.

text and bezier curves :)

(but more importantly... why do you guys always expect me to do all 
the work? :P )

we don't ... you said you couldn't .. hence the questions :)

At least you don't use mirror writing

ah, that's an interesting idea to try...

PDF documentation a la Leonardo ?