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Mhinson, i think we all enjoy to answer to people like you.
Especially because you're a nice and psersistent personn.


But after some weeks, there are questions, we don't want to see comming 
from you.anymmore ;-)

Books are good because someone here gets to sell your their copy 
:)

If anyone has any good Rebol books in English that they would like 
to sell in the UK please let me know.  Thanks.

Steeve, I suspect you doubt the time & effort I have been putting 
into learning Rebol. If you have a clear idea about which sorts of 
questions I really should be able to answer from my own research 
it would give me some useful direction to my study I think. It is 
frustrating thatl I am often trying to guess how to create the structures 
I want, perhaps if I had a better foundation I would know know better 
how to learn more directly.

My advices for a very efficient learning of R2.

1/ Go on Rebol.com and read all the documentation published (it's 
your bible).

2/ Go on Rebol.org and download all the scripts published.  Test 
thoses you can, read their sources and try to figure how they work 
and what technics are used.

3/ When you have questions, At first , check on Rebol.org (the mailing 
list archive) most of the time your answer is there.

Thanks Steeve, I will try not to post here any more unless I am invited. 
 I have enjoyed trying to learn Rebol & will continue, but I do understand 
that my constant questions are an anoyance, and I dont want to be 
banned from this very usefull forum. :-(

Sorry it's not what i mean.

Well, I dont want to cause an anoyance with too much noise

you're really wellcome here to post questions

Thankyou very much. I really value the help I have recieved for you 
all.

But with the time, you'll see some strange reactions like mine.

Some of your questions will be not well considered if they not reflect 
your current level.


Your current status is not anymore "i'm a newbie", be aware of that 
fact.

Steeve, I've been holding off in saying this but you have been pretty 
rude to a few people here over the past couple of months with some 
people.  Because you are such an expert, you are putting others down 
for both their efforts and questions.

The one thing that Rebol has that is somewhat unique, is a nice community, 
with varied talents, interests and programming experience both with 
Rebol and other languages.  I feel your sharp answers can be detrimental 
to those lurking, and push people away, such as myself and mhinson. 
 Your tolerance would be appreciated.

Sorry, but I had to say it.

Everyone appreciates getting a response to a question.  The fact 
that this is a group called I'm New, you should maybe consider ignoring 
it if you don't want to answer questions that are repetitive or simple 
[to you].

... and that's all I will say on the topic.

Brock, I think it has to be pointed out that one also needs to ask 
appropriate questions.

It's a group labeled I'm New... that pretty much says it all.

I think that mhinson still feels that he is new.  cause he realises 
that he is still struggling with simple things.

people usually stop asking basic questions when they don't need to. 
  some people learn quick, some learn slow, some have a lot of catching 
up to do.. there are many reasons for someone not to *get* rebol 
from the bat.

I've been programming (scripting) with Rebol for many years, on a 
casual basis, and I can't answer mhinson's question without sitting 
down and looking at it and fumbling through some of this.

It would be good if there were enough newbies to form their own huddle 
& ask each other the questions that the more experienced people find 
tedious to answer. It takes me a good while to work out very basic 
things, even if I have an overview of more complex areas.  I have 
been learning Rebol for 2 months, it is the first serious attempt 
I have made at this sort of thing for over 20 years.

some people can't learn from documents... I know I can't.  reading 
reference documents doesn't give you the why or the other inside 
knowledge... the *better* way whcih is directly applied to a problem.

My problem is I jump in for a few weeks, then jump out for a month 
or two.  I never get past the previous level and don't stretch the 
boundaries or delve into new areas.  I will always be a newbie.

Everyone is new sometimes, even when they have been around for years 
:)

some might say I'm a guru, but yet I still do newbie error in REBOL 
sometimes... its a very "dig your own grave" kind of language.

I'm sure Steeve means well.

I make newbie errors every once in a while too, and there are some 
areas where I am a newbie full time (like GUI and networking).

this group is for basic questions.  or for people who feel they are 
asking basic questions.

I'm sure he does to.  He's been very helpful for some people, including 
mhinson.  It's just a matter of being a little more tolerable when 
he doesn't agree with something.

It's always interesting to see what people think is basic :)

The level of help on this group is spectacular. I think I have picked 
up a great deal, paticularly about parsing, but I know I still have 
a lot to learn about passing data types, which might seem more basic.

when mhinson won't feel like a newbie, he will start answering questions 
naturally, like we all do... this is what is so great about the community... 
everyone gets the help he needs and feels like he ows something back 
a bit.

its my POV in any case.

I understand Brock's view here.  I wouldn't want to see this community 
break down and become what you find on USENET or IRC.

Feeling like I owed something back is why I started helping write 
REBOL, at least the mezzanines :)

Well, have someone answered to the mhinson's question ? 

What is the worst ?

- Having some doubts, even rude words (meaning i want to know you)
- Or apathy (do what you want, i don't care)

att: func ['paf [path!]] [any [attempt [do paf] ""]]

The worst is complaining aboput the asking of the question. The best 
is answering or trying to answer.

Apathy is fine, as long as you keep it to yourself.

>> a: context [b: 1]
>> a/b
== 1
>> 'a/b
== a/b
>> do 'a/b
== 1
>> att: func ['paf [path!]] [any [attempt [do paf] ""]]
>> att a/b
== 1
>> att a/c
== ""

Now the lit-word! argument 'paf is a little advanced - it means don't 
evaluate the actual argument. The alternative is this:
>> att: func [paf [path!]] [any [attempt [do paf] ""]]
>> att 'a/b
== 1

It's not the meaning of apathy here (check the context)

In this case, you have to pass a lit-path! as the actual argument. 
When the lit-path! 'a/b is evaluated, it converts to the path! a/b

(Temporarily going off-topic) Answering mhinson's question or asking 
some of your own is ontopic here. Telling someone to not ask questions 
is offtopic - see the group description.

Some of us like to answer questions, and learn by doing so. This 
group is like a REBOL-specific version of the Puzzles group :)

For instance, I wasn't sure that do path trick would work until I 
tried it.

Brian it was not my words. 

I never said to not respond (strange it's not your habit to perform 
false denouncements) 
And i gave a Hint.
Anyone else could have completed it at this time.


But it seems some of you guys ,like to bash for nothing using false 
reasons.
And that , it's certainly more offtopic than anyting else.

Everyone has their own way of helping ...

Let's not bash anyone please ....