World: r3wp

with IE, I see the graph, with Firefox and the SVG viewer installed, 
I just see the xml

if i click the link i get a file download

there's an image of what you are supposed to see near the bottom 
here http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-svggrph/

isn't that a bit too blurry?

anyway, looks like the same graph rendered twice to make a blorry 
shadow

so you can render it, use the blur effect, and render it again with 
a small translation

looks fine to me .. I guess the gaussian blur is just eye candy

seems quite easy to achieve.

Shouldn't be too hard to get a nice result in View with AGG.

I was just playing with the q-plot, and the output seemed a little 
plain ...

so, I was thinking of switching to svg instead to produce the graphs 
I need.

view layout [box 400x400 white effect [draw [translate 2x2 pen gray 
line-width 1.7 line 10x300 100x200 390x10] blur blur blur blur blur 
blur draw [pen red line-width 1.2 line 10x300 100x200 390x10]]]

very nice ...

I also made an example with the draw dialect. Try:
view layout [image http://home9.inet.tele.dk/johnn/draw.png]

you need to end the block. It seems, AltME remove some chars sometimes.

well, you can also just click the link and see it in your browser.

nice too ..

huhm.. I click/dragged and the end of the block reappeared - guess 
it's just invisible

Has anyone used q-plot?

It seems to ignore x-axis values except the start and last ones.

>> date-data: [ 1-Jan-2005 2-Jan-2005 3-Jan-2005 1-Dec-2005 ]
== [1-Jan-2005 2-Jan-2005 3-Jan-2005 1-Dec-2005]
>> y-data: [ 1 2 3 4 ]
== [1 2 3 4]

 view quick-plot [ 800x300 x-data [(date-data)] line [(y-data)] x-axis 
 6 ]

which draws a very straight line.

is line-width only valid for the agg versions of View ?

Did Cyphre ever release his agg_lite.dll with text rendering as he 
said he was going to do for devcon?

I just downloaded the rebol-agg.zip file and the file dates are still 
June 2004

AGG text rendering is in alpha View too...

what do you mean by text rendering? Text rendering in terms of draw? 
Imo now biggest drawbacks for general View usability are - incomplete 
keyboard handler + non-existance of rich text. I think that Carl 
could come up with some solution, where face/text rendeing could 
be switched to use agg capabilities internally ...

btw - I don't like current face object structure at all! Imo we could 
have kind of graphics face, where subobjects like para, text, font 
would be removed, and then more rich face, for text ... but in terms 
of rich text, font, para and text are useless too, as they allow 
only one style per face, kind of ZX Spectrum to me, which allowed 
only one color per 8x8 pixel ;-)

G: I don't recall q-plot as being date-smart.  It just thinks you 
are feeding four data points.

Is there anybody here who manages Rebolforces web site ?

This page look very interesting for Newbies, but images are not there 
:
http://www.rebolforces.com/archive/view099users.html

It was Allen's work IIRC.

Hmm, that's from a while back (my first RF logo :o)  Allen has the 
keys to the archive...

I suppose the %image/ folder was not moved with the page. May be 
they are still on the site, somewhere.

Allen seems to not come here very often :-\

yes, many talented ppl elft rebol imo ... do you guys remember Elan, 
Andrew Grossman, Joel, Tim Peters, etc.?

He is, he's just not been on Rebol3 (except as Guest)

Accounts group - Wednesday...

Did Joel leave?  I just thought he didn't sign up for AltME...

maybe it is just my impressin because of almost inactive ml ...

I got the impression Joel used a Mac ..... and hence no Native View 
or AltME

Graham: re quick plot - yes, I had to make some changes to be able 
to draw xy graph with irregular x values. Unfortunately I didn't 
correct the behaviour for dates. I will probably include XY graphing 
capabilities into  my spider.r, because the "philosophy" of q-plot 
looks a bit "flawed" to me - it is "two-pass" (acceptable) evaluating 
expressions twice , which looks

...unacceptable

Ladislav, do you have a fixed version of q-plot for irregular x values? 
 I can use seconds instead of date values.

Gabriele, yes, I was aware that text rendering was in AGG view, but 
I wanted to encap, which means using the agg_lite.dll ... unless 
someone can twist Carl's arm to release encap with AGG as well :(

Graham. I stopped developement of agg_lite.dll and switched to AGG 
v2.2 library which is used in Rebol/View alphas. The agg_lite.dll 
was just a proof of concept.

I'm using internally for testing and debugging 'a clone' of the same 
code(which is written for View with agg) as a .dll. But this version 
is not in state of public release.

ok.

I guess I can call agg-view.exe to do the graphing that I want

I think so ;)

is there some documentation yet for the new draw commands?

or dialect changes?