World: r3wp

This way I at least can manually upgrade my own client plugin to 
AGG.

ah, sorry, got it ...

you should update your instructions - you are not able to rewrite 
the file, unless you end your IE ... it keeps old view.dll locked 
...

AGG, and no ASYNC?

I would forget MS IE version and concentrate on NS plug-in plus wrapper 
for IE ...

Yeah, forget 90% of all browsers, and go for  <10%.

I'm sure most people will work it out that they have to close down 
IE to save the file.

well, even if IE is used by 85% PCs on average, plugin can be used 
by some 60 or so percent, who are lucky not being behind proxy. Rebol 
proxy support detection sucks big time ...

Terry - you don't know what you aret talking about, so I will forgive 
you :-)

just go and read plug-in chat from yesterday, you will understand 
:-)

Ok, I've updated the instructions.

can't find the download programs folder? is that the actual name 
in XP?

Pekr, I use Firefox almost exclusively.

almost..

MS, prior to IE 5.5, used exactly the same! NS plugins. Then those 
morons had to change it, to cut it off of course. you can probably 
still find plugin.ocx somewhere on your system ..... Mozilla foundation 
offers you to use their plugin system, which will work in MOST other 
browsers, including Opera. So you just need to use their wrapper 
dll to get it working in IE once again - that is why I see no point 
in developing IE plug-in separately ...

Opera is toast.

like Blockbuster (if you live in N. America)

I surely don't want to leave IE unsupported, that would be insane, 
as IE still has more than 80%. Of course, we first need to check, 
if the wrapper library works seamlessly ...

why? Opera is rather popular here, it conforms to standards good 
enough, it is now adds free also. and don't forget - it is used on 
many mobile devices ....

Either way, I think the plugin is Rebol's only chance.. as the world 
moves more and more towards Web 2.0, Rebol's only hope, and opportunity, 
is to build widgets.

read Carl's yesterday's blog - they also have something in the pipeline, 
but I have no idea, what are they talking about, if not plug-in itself 
:-)

yes, but we first need to get NS plug-in working, then trash IE's 
plug-in functionality, and think how to integrate ....

Yeah? Wait till you see what I have in store!

current version has many problems and lots of things are undecided 
...

So what you have in the store? I don't want to wait. I am looking 
for C coder, which will help with NS plug-in, to get started ....

the terrible thing is, that even RT admits plug-in is kinda strategic 
to them, yet their support for the product is - null ...

Ok, when i go to save the .dll file, my folder is hidden, if i download 
to another directory, i can't paste even if i rename... my mom is 
going to freak trying to install this thing.

it's not for ya mom!

:-)

MS had to disable the NS-compatible plugins by court order - some 
jerk (EOLAS) patented the idea of a plugin in a browser, and the 
overloaded US patent office didn't notice the prior art, much of 
which predated the Internet. Still pending, but MS preemptively dropped 
the patented method (the EMBED tag). EOLAS is waiting to see how 
this turns out before suing the rest of the world.

noone other did it, and EOLaS lost, no?

It's still in appeals I think.

As it is, the W3C standardized on the OBJECT tag back in HTML 4, 
so the point is moot as far as I care.

If I would met Eolas CEO, I would kick his ass :-) Their aproach 
is just not normal, but insane .... those patent things are just 
becoming really weird. I just wait when someone will be allowed to 
patent 1 and 0 :-)

what's the best/most "friendly" and brief way to get a basic font 
object?

face/font ?

might work... thanks

or even safer is: system/standard/face/font

thanks

what does layout/parent do? I can't see anything in the docs about 
it

There's a tiny explanation here:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlZVTK

0.0.21 of LIST-VIEW uploaded.

Changes:

      Fix: Fixed an instance where LIST-VIEW would crash with empty OUT-COLS
      New: FONTS block to set font objects for each column

      Fix: Got rid of the grey color bar at the bottom of the list view,

        when the list height didn't add up to the rows. Thereby, you no longer
        need to set COLORS/4 manually.
      Fix: Background color in COLORS was not used

      Fix: When using ROW-FACE, FIT = FALSE and the columns weren't filling
        out the header, the last text field would be darkened.

      Fix: Sometimes when HDR-COLS was not defined, LIST-VIEW would crash

      New: SHOW-EDIT now allows to select which column to focus on

    Main file is available at:
    http://www.hmkdesign.dk/rebol/list-view/list-view.r
    Demo and testcases available at:
    http://www.hmkdesign.dk/rebol/list-view/list-demo.r
    Docs are available in makedoc2 format at:
    http://www.hmkdesign.dk/rebol/list-view/list-view.txtand
    http://www.hmkdesign.dk/rebol/list-view/list-view.html

So, Henrik, seemns to me you need a news section on your website, 
and then you can simply post one line of updates : )
This is looking really good.

yeah looks like I'll need that. I'm also making a Rebsite now. I 
think that's a little easier than posting a large list of file names 
here

See, now this is why we need a cetralized website where you can post 
your news : )  everyone is having to set up the same thing, seems 
a little silly.

I'm slowly moving it into one of my larger programs with many lists. 
With the amount of initialization this list does compared to my older 
ones, I can shave off 20-30 lines of code, per list.

For those that want to set up there own site, OK, but then what they 
should do is feed an RSS to the central site.

Given even this grou, I bet you would see news almost every day, 
sometimes 5-10 bits of news.

could also be a news item viewer for Viewtop? I think it's a bit 
of a shame to stuff everything in little dull text files.

I think of it the other way around, "send" the material in XML, RSS, 
ATOM, what ever, an let each system deal with showing it.  But no 
matter what, we need a website where all this stuff comes together.