World: r3wp

svv/vid-styles/area/flags ;== [tabbed on-unfocus input]

svv/vid-styles/field/flags ;== [field return tabbed on-unfocus input]

view layout [field 200x48 with [deflag-face self return]]

do http://www.lexicon.net/antonr/rebol/demo/text-swirl-fade.r

Everyone's experience will be different.

Use the keyword 'as-is

Anton - I navigated each single 'area word but I couldn't find the 
reason. I didn't think that the difference was in 'field instead. 
Thank you!

Chris - 'as-is works too, but what is it? I coundn't find it nowhere.

It's a flag in the 'text style that will prevent face/init from doing 
a trim/lines on the face/text.

probe get in get-style 'text 'init

Thank you :-)

I can't seem to figure out the solution to do this elegantly: If 
I have a pane with 4 faces [a b c d] and I want 'b to move to position 
'd: [a c d b], is there no easier way than to copy, remove and append 
'b?

ah, found something that seems to work. never mind

Would it be a good idea to open source the Viewtop editor just like 
it happened with the Viewtop? It has a lot of obvious bugs that could 
be fixed by people outside RT.

(or is it a part of the Viewtop?)

Its part of Viewtop (vt-editor.r).

But it as been update in View 1.3, so current ViewTop sources are 
outdated. Unless it has been re-release, but I'm not aware of that.

Its now in the beta-sdk, dont know how public that is. and you can 
get the source by "probe ctx-edit" from a fresh console. but without 
comments then.

In IOS there is a flag that allows, the users default editor to be 
used instead. It was proposed to implement that in the view desktop 
as well, I'm not sure if it got in there.

just redefine 'editor and use call. but i like the inbuild one for 
quick things.

So do I, which is why I think it would be nice to get bugs fixed 
and some simple features added like a search/replace and maybe a 
simple undo. I use it alot.

What is the ViewTop editor? Does exists a rebol written editor to 
code rebol programs? Is it in the /SDK package?

no, simply put - go to Desktop, right-click any icon or file, choose 
"Edit"

:-) thank you!

or in the console, type:
>> editor ""

write in some code, save it and press ctrl-E to run it. brilliant 
for testing code snippets

why do I use notepad then? ;-)

did not know it is so easy without going to Desktop, thanks :-)

also nice for viewing large objects...
>> editor system

What about an editor that help you navigate your program thru funcs, 
contexts, blocks..., with backup service and temming?

I've been thinking about this. But how far would we want to go? Simple 
as in the current editor, intermediate or a fullblown IDE?

Hmm, probably a step by step is the best solution. :-)

Pick up an editor and start adding some functionalities. We can decide 
what to add before.

Some editors can be controlled by call, by calling them with file 
and position. they use the curently opened window then. so you need 
only the navigator.

But does somebody really need that?

(In which case i could revisit some prototypes.)

I meant write the editor in rebol. Otherwise I thougth to implement 
an Eclispe plugin (Eclipse is a very good platform in my  opinion) 
but why have I to spend time using Java?

(which -> that)

The editor in rebol can be controlled that way too, with some tricks.

I'd much rather see a tad more advanced version of the current viewtop 
editor. No fancy features like syntax highlighting, but useful stuff 
like indenting, search/replace and undo. It shouldn't feel heavier 
than now

I think that every developer need a good developer environment, don't 
they?

question is what is good. scrolling and searching beats a java-style 
treeview with small things.

luca: for me a good developer environment is one that can be started 
with an executable less than 1 MB, and start typing immediately and 
press one hotkey to run the program, and you can learn to use it 
in about 8 minutes.

I agree with you. This is why I'd like to have it written in rebol. 
:-)

oh and no wizards

I agree too.

wizards are a good indication that you are using something that can 
be too complex for the average developer and that gaining full control 
will take you months of learning.

DO you speak of rebol-headers with auto-date and version update? 
:)

:-D  ... so navigation features are not useful neither?

MY prefered navigation is grep, not some structured view. give me 
every "this-word" in files.

Even if the file is "big"?

I get a seperate list with the hits and can jump from there. emacs.