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Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6511]
ex:


a-big-view-block:  [ button "press me"  [print rejoin ["You have 
pressed " (val)]]]

val: "the button"

view layout compose/deep a-big-view-block
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6512x2]
neat (and important)
im using rebol on sparc/solaris (for automation). not even perl installed 
on these boxes .-)
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6514]
note that in the above, if you didn't compose the block it would 
still work, since val would be evaluated on the fly... BUT if you 
have several windows opened at the same time and each new window 
displayed a different caption, then the above is necessary... otherwise 
changing the value of val will change ALL windows at the same time 
 :-)   which is a common error we all make at some point.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6515]
so the callback of the button will be bound to the value of 'val' 
at compose/deep time .. ? ok.
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6516x3]
it will replace the (val) by its value at specific time
another very good use of compose:

time: now
my-object: make object! compose [
	name: "me"
	time: (time)
]

without the compose, my-object/time will be none
actually it will raise an error since time within the context of 
the object, is not yet set.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6519x2]
hm, isn't:

my-object: make object! [
  name: "me"
  time: now
]

equivalent?
ah, i see.
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6521]
yes... obviously, but sometimes, the value you want to set within 
your object is already used within the code that is populating it... 
it was just an example  :-)
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6522]
yeah, i see the difference. but i think the behaviour is a bit weird
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6523]
why?
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6524x3]
i would expect that time is identical to now after

time: now

but it's not.
forget it.

time: now
my-object: make object! [
  name: "me"
  mtime: time
]

behaves the same ...
time: time was the problem
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6527x2]
yes exactly.  that's what the compose allows.
obviously one can say well, just use other words... but... its not 
always pretty... actually it rarely is.
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6529]
one last question:

a: [ "a" "b" ]
how to write/append %to.txt a
so that
a b <- with whitespace inbetween 
gets written?
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6530x2]
btw, Ladislav has another more flexible function similar to compose... 
 its called 'BUILD   ( http://www.fm.vslib.cz/~ladislav/rebol/)
write/append %to.txt form a
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6532]
woot! thx
Maxim
21-Dec-2006
[6533]
glad I can help  :-)
Dirk
21-Dec-2006
[6534]
should have read strings, not blocks in the reference ....

Thanx for you help Maxim. Have to drive home now ...
Anton
26-Dec-2006
[6535]
Dirk, check out  compose/ONLY, eg:
>> blk: [1 2 3] compose/only [hello (blk)]
== [hello [1 2 3]]
Anton
28-Dec-2006
[6536x2]
I want to speed up access to a block of objects (unassociated) for 
a search algorithm.
Should I use LIST! or HASH! ?

It's a growing list of visited objects, and I'm searching it each 
time to see if the currently visited object has already been visited.
It looks like I should use HASH!, as it is designed to make lookup 
faster.
LIST! is designed for faster modifications.
Henrik
28-Dec-2006
[6538]
I wonder what the conversion time is between BLOCK!, LIST! and HASH! 
there must be some kind of penalty there.
Tomc
29-Dec-2006
[6539]
perhaps the objects could just contain a  visited field
Anton
29-Dec-2006
[6540]
No, I'm searching the system object; I can't modify the objects.
Tomc
29-Dec-2006
[6541x2]
ah
what are you keying off  of?
Anton
29-Dec-2006
[6543]
Search term is a word, but I want to support strings as well.
Gregg
29-Dec-2006
[6544]
If lookup speed is primary, use hash!, if you're doing a lot of inserts 
and removes, use list! There is overhead to has items for lookup, 
but the speedup is enormous on lookups..
Maxim
29-Dec-2006
[6545]
also remmember that lists are at their tails after inserts and append... 
this is usefull, but quite frustrating to discover when you don't 
know about it.
Anton
29-Dec-2006
[6546x2]
A quick test looks like using a hash didn't help in my case, the 
major work must be somewhere else.
Yes, I am aware of the index position confusion with list!.
Geomol
31-Dec-2006
[6548]
Is it possible to turn off: ** Math Error: Math or number overflow 
?

My gcc compiler here warn me of integer overflow, but I can run the 
C program, and bits are lost. But that can be ok in some cases, for 
example to calculate noise. I'm wondering, if I can do that in a 
fast way with REBOL. Example:
46341 * 46341

will produce an integer overflow. I just want the result with the 
high order bits lost.
Robert
31-Dec-2006
[6549]
Good question. I would like to avoid this error as well. A overflow 
would be OK in most cases.
Sunanda
31-Dec-2006
[6550]
Youd could bypass it with something like:
(1. * 46341 * 46341) // (2 ** 31)
Robert
31-Dec-2006
[6551x2]
How do you do this when you have a lot of claculation that use user 
input?
The user could input very large numbers.
Sunanda
31-Dec-2006
[6553]
Not sure -- and of course it probably doesn't meet Geomol's request 
for a "fast way"
Gabriele
1-Jan-2007
[6554x2]
>> 46341 * 46341
** Math Error: Math or number overflow
** Near: 46341 * 46341
>> 46341x1 * 46341x1
== -2147479015x1
("hidden feature" of pairs, used by nenad in is mysql protocol handler 
:)
Geomol
1-Jan-2007
[6556]
LOL Wow! That's nice, Gabriele!

Also a fine solution, Sunanda! That might be one of the fastest way 
to do it. Maybe I'll just use RANDOM in my noise generating routine, 
but if that's not good enough, I'll probably use one of these suggestions.
Robert
1-Jan-2007
[6557]
Cool. This trick could be used to implement intervall arithmetic. 
Using a PAIR to store the upper/lower bound of ranges. Than we only 
need special operator implementations for * / to handle all cases.
Geomol
1-Jan-2007
[6558]
I was trying to implement this function in REBOL:

function IntNoise(32-bit integer: x)
 

    x = (x<<13) ^ x;

     return ( 1.0 - ( (x * (x * x * 15731 + 789221) + 1376312589) & 7fffffff) 
     / 1073741824.0);
end IntNoise function


Using pair didn't do the job, I guess because of truncating along 
the way. Sunanda's method works.
Robert
1-Jan-2007
[6559x2]
Question: I have a block that represents several records (fixed size 
number of fields). Now I need to extend each record by one column. 
Inserting a new entry every X entries in the block. IIRC there is 
a special function to deal with fixed size blocks for such thing. 
Like remove-each but more generic.
the simplest way I come up is:
	FORSKIP series record-size [
		APPEND result COPY/PART series
		APPEND result new-value
	]


But this copies the series. Is there a nice inplace extension solution?