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[Core] Discuss core issues

Gabriele
5-Sep-2005
[1879x2]
do bind load %prg2.r self
but if you have nexting contexts, you're going to need multiple binds. 
also, while DO changes dir to the script's location, LOAD doesn't. 
so there is a difference. but, you can get into this kind of problems 
with #include too.
Ladislav
6-Sep-2005
[1881x2]
yes, that is another variant, although I prefer #include in this 
case (it changes dir, btw.)
(but only when doing preprocessing, i.e. some care needed anyway)
Geomol
6-Sep-2005
[1883x2]
Gabriele, thanks! That "do bind load <something> self" is, what I'm 
after. :-)
That should be in the "Idiom Dictionary", Carl was talking about: 
http://www.rebol.net/article/0113.html
(When REBOL/Services or LNS is out.)
Graham
12-Sep-2005
[1885]
anyone got a definition for ++ ?  I thought I had seen one before 
but google failed me :(
Anton
12-Sep-2005
[1886]
; original simple functions
;;++: func ['a][do compose [(to-set-word a) (a) + 1]]
;;--: func ['a][do compose [(to-set-word a) (a) - 1]]
;;+=: func ['a 'b][do compose [(to-set-word a) (a) + (b)]]
;;-=: func ['a 'b][do compose [(to-set-word a) (a) - (b)]]

;++: func ['word][set word 1 + get word]
;--: func ['word][set word -1 + get word]

; handles paths 

++: func ['v [word! path!]][do reduce [either path? v [to-set-path 
v][to-set-word v] v '+ 1]]

--: func ['v [word! path!]][do reduce [either path? v [to-set-path 
v][to-set-word v] v '- 1]]

+=: func ['v [word! path!] value][do reduce [either path? v [to-set-path 
v][to-set-word v] v '+ value]]

-=: func ['v [word! path!] value][do reduce [either path? v [to-set-path 
v][to-set-word v] v '- value]]
Graham
12-Sep-2005
[1887]
Gee, you've got a few piled away there!
Anton
12-Sep-2005
[1888]
I don't actually use them. (maybe in one old program somewhere).
Ingo
12-Sep-2005
[1889]
Just a small question: is it possible to delete directories from 
Rebol? 'delete seems not to work, or is it because the dir is not 
empty?
james_nak
12-Sep-2005
[1890x2]
Try placing a "/" at the end of the dir:  make-dir %test  delete 
%test/
Oh, and yes, it needs to be empty.
Gregg
12-Sep-2005
[1892]
There's also DELETE-DIR.
james_nak
12-Sep-2005
[1893]
See Gregg, another secret solved. I didn't see that in the dictionary.
Ingo
12-Sep-2005
[1894]
I _think_ that I had the slash, I'll be using delete-dir now. Funny 
thing I didn't know about it ... 
Thanks Gregg and James!
Volker
12-Sep-2005
[1895]
Its quite new ;)
Ingo
12-Sep-2005
[1896]
Ahh, I see ... most of the time I try things like 

>> del <tab><tab> to see if there are other words like the one which 
_just_ does not do the job, but I forgot it this time. :-)
Volker
12-Sep-2005
[1897x2]
yup. And help "set" if it is somewhere in between. Note the {"},else 
it would show help for 'set in this case. (i guess you know that, 
just in case ;)
Better example would be: help "dir" ;)
Graham
12-Sep-2005
[1899]
what happened to Rebol's pattern matching in files?

I used to be able to do 

load %*.html 
well, that was valid in the year 2000.
Anton
13-Sep-2005
[1900]
I guess it was decided not to automatically assume the filesystem 
uses those wildchars ? Interesting. I honestly can't remember that.
Graham
13-Sep-2005
[1901]
I note that RT's documentation for the wild chars in SQL still makes 
a reference to REBOL's wild chars of * ...
Pekr
13-Sep-2005
[1902x2]
Hi .... as me and my friend use RebDB, we currently have to simulate 
'join functionality. I gave the idea a little thought, and I remembered, 
there are Rebol natives as 'union and 'intersest. They even do work 
with /skip refinement ..... and we miss that 'join functionality. 
Would it be difficult to add such functionality to work with blocks 
for 'union, or have a new native? I have an example:

; structure - name, last name, address, zip code

table1: [ "Petr" "Krenzelok" "Navsi 645" "739 92"  "Johny" "Handsome" 
"Dreamland 777" "777 77"]

; structure - age, place of birth
table2: [ 33 "Trinec" 38 "Some town"]

join-block/skip table1 table2 4 2


Do you think it would be usefull functionality to have as a native? 
Would be fast and would give us db 'join functionality to some extent 
....
'intersect I meant :-)
Volker
13-Sep-2005
[1904]
Something older by Brett: http://www.codeconscious.com/rebol/rebol-scripts.html
http://www.codeconscious.com/rebol/scripts/array-tools.r
Ladislav
13-Sep-2005
[1905x2]
hi, do you find this behaviour natural?
spec: [
	a: 1
	block: [do [a]]
]

o1: make object! spec
o2: make object! spec
o2/a: 2
do o1/block
do o2/block
JaimeVargas
13-Sep-2005
[1907]
Thats actually surprising... IMHO it shouldn't happen.
Ladislav
13-Sep-2005
[1908]
It looks that I should post it to Rambo, then
Cyphre
13-Sep-2005
[1909]
Looks like a bug.
Ladislav
13-Sep-2005
[1910x2]
another presentation of the same effect:
objects: []
loop 2 [
	append objects make object! [a: 1 block: [a]]
]
objects/2/a: 2
do objects/1/block ; == 2 !
Chris
13-Sep-2005
[1912]
It looks like the context for the nested [a] in the spec gets set 
while creating an object.
Ladislav
13-Sep-2005
[1913]
the behaviour is caused by the fact, that MAKE doesn't copy the SPEC 
argument
Chris
13-Sep-2005
[1914x2]
; After pasting the first example, I can:
reduce last last spec
; == 2
Sorry, == [2]
JaimeVargas
13-Sep-2005
[1916]
The is the kind of side effects are quite dangerous, imo the current 
behaviour seems like a bug and breaks the least surprise premise.
Chris
13-Sep-2005
[1917]
Or doesn't deep copy.
Sunanda
13-Sep-2005
[1918x2]
strange isn't it?
same? o1/block o2/block
== true
But if you change the spec to
  block: copy [do [a]]

They are no longer the same, but still return the same value. Odd!
Chris was ahead of me there -- a working solution is
  block: copy/deep [do [a]]
Chris
13-Sep-2005
[1920x2]
You would need to copy/deep.
:o)
Ladislav
13-Sep-2005
[1922]
yes, that is true, I wrote a similar example to my Bindology article 
quite some time ago, where it was "clashing" with recursion. Here 
it is a problem even without recursion
JaimeVargas
13-Sep-2005
[1923]
Should programmers concern about copy/deep when creating new objects 
from a spec? It seems strange that they do.
Ladislav
13-Sep-2005
[1924x2]
As the interpreter is working now, they should, at least in case 
of recursive code or objects with variables having block values
The easiest rule is to write make object! copy/deep spec instead 
of make object! spec
JaimeVargas
13-Sep-2005
[1926]
But is this appropriate, why not just have copy/deep by default on 
make object! ?
Ladislav
13-Sep-2005
[1927x2]
the reason was, that it is slowing down the interpretation in cases 
it isn't necessary
(I would say, that it can be considered "premature optimization"?)