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[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1463] | They should add that and we should have a command like the one you gave as a mezz function |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1464x2] | You could always use CALL to get this info and the parse it. |
What OS? | |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1466] | yeah I know I actually have to do that now with a call to netstat -aon |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1467] | You could always use CALL to get the open ports on the host system and the parse it. What OS? Do you want support for? |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1468] | I'm working on a project now that I want to send out but don't want it to look so much like a batch file as much as having its own capabilities inherent. |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1469] | Lower level access in rebol is only possible either through CALL or via a SYSTEM CALLS using the DLL access. |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1470x4] | Yeah the DLL wont cut it as this would require the use of my /sdk license and the company wont go with that. |
The CALL function really helps now though | |
I really hope RT puts some functions in to free REBOL distros such as remote registry capabilities | |
Then we can use it for administrative purposes and role it out to 40,000 plus desktops | |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1474x2] | Why not just use SDK. Surely a BigCo can afford it. Besides I think is better to distribute such tool in an encaped form. |
You don't want someone changing the src code of a script that manipulates the registry of a host environment. Too much security risk, 80% of security problems oringinate inside the companies infrastructure. | |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1476x3] | Its strange but they wont purchase things that are not accepted by the application development teams to support other clients. The only way to really penetrate the big companies in this regard is to have one heck of a salesman that can talk about standards and support or bring it in free where there is no costs or penalties. |
Well with XP pro which is our common operating environment scripts can be set to run under certain credentials | |
We currently have WSH carry much of that load | |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1479] | Really strange... What about "A build it and they will come strategy"? |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1480x2] | That's just not realistic enough |
We have perl used extensively as well | |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1482] | Why? If you create something you give it to users, and they start using it. They may push presure on the Echolons to favor your solution. |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1483x2] | The biggest obstacle to making an encapped module in this environment is knowledge distribution |
For example, if we rolled out an encapped file to 40,000 desktops and someone walked up and said who did this and they said Paul did - then they would say what happens if Paul leaves us. | |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1485] | You mean you are the only one with rebol knowledge? |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1486x2] | They would never let them get themselves that vulnerable. To much risk |
I'm sure we have others in the company but not on this account - I'm it. | |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1488] | Well. You pointed them to network Rebol consultants that could support them. (Gabriele, Robert, Cyphre, Ladislav, Greg, DideC, Nenad and others...) |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1489x3] | One time I created a nice program that would go out and check backups on the servers. Because it was an executable file they got rid of the system - even though it was better than anything else we had. |
That isn't good enough unfortunately | |
They need to be able to pick up a phone and get results. We deliver Service Level Agreements that costs a lot of money when they are not met. | |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1492] | Also if you write document your script really well and show the code is easy to follow (cookbook tutorial) you may gain your boss trust and their request for other agents inside your company to learn Rebol. |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1493] | You gotta remember when I say we have 40,000 desktops that isn't a typo. We have teams dedicated to certain tasks including an application development team |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1494] | I don't think the problem is about free features in free-rebol vs sdk. It is about education of the decision makers. |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1495x2] | I'm not part of that team. I'm part of the field services team which handles administrative functions. |
Yeah Jaime your partially correct but if WSH can do it for free why REBOL - get my point? | |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1497] | I think you need to keep trying on viral approach, sneak some code there, and convince others to acept it. |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1498] | I have made an application here and there that has been noticed but mine are all free - I don't charge and I'm bound that if I did make anything particularly useful they would own it anyway. |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1499] | Why REBOL? (Thats a loaded question). Part of the answer is because it makes your life easier. So freeing your cycles and potentially the cycles of others, making the company more efficient. |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1500] | Therefore, I see no way to penetrate the REBOL product into the environment unless I make a killer app or unless we can do the better work with REBOL at the same costs or better. |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1501] | (Lets move to Chat) |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1502] | ok |
JaimeVargas 8-Jul-2005 [1503] | (Better lets create a new group) |
[unknown: 5] 8-Jul-2005 [1504] | Jaime - I noticed that the broadcast address that returns from that ipconfig function is not correct in cases where the netmask is different than 255.255.255.0. Maybe a bug in get-modes when used on the interfaces. |
Gabriele 9-Jul-2005 [1505x2] | Jaime, the port does not need to be ope. Just get-modes udp:// 'interfaces (or tcp://) |
*open | |
JaimeVargas 9-Jul-2005 [1507] | Thanks Gabriel. Here is a shorter version, thanks to your hint. ipconfig: has [interfaces] [ foreach dev interfaces: get-modes udp:// 'interfaces [ print reform compose [ join dev/name ":" "flags" mold dev/flags newline "^-inet" dev/addr "mask" dev/netmask (either dev/broadcast [["broadcast" dev/broadcast]][""]) (either dev/dest-addr [["dest-addr" dev/dest-addr]][""]) ] ] interfaces ] |
eFishAnt 9-Jul-2005 [1508] | I know how to set the title of the window in REBOL/View, but how can I change the title of a REBOL core console? |
Graham 9-Jul-2005 [1509x3] | with a system call |
win-lib: make object! [ user-lib: load/library %user32.dll SetWindowText: make routine! [ handle [integer!] Title [string!] return: [integer!] ] user-lib "SetWindowTextA" set 'WindowTitle func [ Title [string!] ] [ SetWindowText get-modes system/ports/system 'window Title ] ] WindowTitle "eFishAnt Ink" | |
can't remember who gave me that... | |
Brett 10-Jul-2005 [1512] | For POP3 and email fans: http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/documentation.r?script=do-pop-scheme.r Gives you easy access to LIST, TOP, UIDL, etc. for your spam delete scripts or whatever. |
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