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BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12356x2]
while [not empty? blk] [
	blk: change/part blk copy/part blk span
]
Put that in a function.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12358x2]
thanks I have that
but I am interested in manageing without copy
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12360]
Sorry, change/part -> change/part/only
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12361]
if it is possible
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12362]
ouch Brian, one second more and it was my reply :)
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12363]
You have to copy - you are turning one series into three (in your 
example).
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12364]
missing: span span
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12365]
Right :)
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12366x2]
unless [empty? blk: change/part blk copy/part blk span span]
(unless is a litlle faster than while)
just my 2 cents :)
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12368]
Yes, but he wants it to repeat.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12369]
on large datasets a copyless repartitioning would be more efficent 
more like adding pointers to delimiters within the block
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12370]
If you want it to speed up, use until.
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12371x2]
argh, i meant until, not unless
grrrrrrrrrrr.....
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12373]
Tomc, you can't do copyless and get subseries, but you can build 
a block of before and after references.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12374x2]
thanks steeve  that is about  what I am doing  but while[ not tail 
block ] [change...
brian yes that is what bugs me

if it was in a file  or an un loaded string I could insert  brackets 
to my hearts content . but not once i start useing it.
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12376]
new: make blk 2 * divide length? blk span
while [not tail? blk] [
	new: insert/only insert/only blk blk: skip blk span
]
new: head new

Then use /part references.
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12377]
uh !?
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12378]
make blk -> make block!
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12379]
not only that :)
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12380]
The resluting block will be pairs of references to the beginning 
and end of his subseries. He can then get any subseries he needs 
by referencing it using the beginning and references with the /part 
option of COPY or INSERT, though using CHANGE or REMOVE will mess 
up the offsets of any subsequent references unless he is referring 
to a list! type.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12381]
a rose by any name ....  new and block both end up with the data 
so it is still copying
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12382]
No, you are not inserting copies, you are inserting *references to 
the original*.
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12383]
ok Brian, but still missing something, (insert/only new) :)
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12384]
Yeah. I am actually working on something else right now, so errors 
are to be expected here.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12385]
Ahhh! I see  hmmm  I think all I will  need to do is reorder *between* 
references and subject those  sub-blocks 
 to further partitioning
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12386]
The new block is really an index (in the database sense). You can 
sort and manipulate the index, then use the result to build a new 
version of the data if you like.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12387]
yep
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12388]
the only thing you can't do is a mold or a form of this index :)
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12389x2]
I'm backporting the last of the R3 reflection functions to R2 right 
now...
TYPES-OF - it's a nasty one to implement.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12391]
what are the costs when a (sub)block is reordered ?
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12392]
skiped or sorted ?
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12393]
both actually
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12394x2]
You want to make all of your planned changes to the index, then build 
them all at once into new data.
Otherwise the positions get messed up.
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12396]
skiping a block has no cost (no data modified), sorting has cost 
(data modified)
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12397]
SORT with a custom compare function would be fast to use here.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12398x2]
positions get messed up if and only if the end points of the sub 
range are shuffled in the sort ...
and as their index can be known  beefore hand they can be reset if 
needed. i think
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12400]
No, positions get messed up if the length of the data series *anywhere 
before the position* changes. The only datatype this is not true 
for is list!, which is not future compatible.
Tomc
13-Feb-2009
[12401]
but reordering should not change a length
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12402x2]
but if the sort on the default data block is applied with a skip 
size equal to your span, then positions are not messed up, is that 
what you mean ?
in that case, it's right
BrianH
13-Feb-2009
[12404]
Reordering will change the length of the portion of the series before 
the moved segments, depending on where they are moved.
Steeve
13-Feb-2009
[12405]
but not if he's sorting data with a skip size equal to the span