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Petr, that is immaterial.  If you want to do an ad front-end with 
Rebol, it can be done.

Jaime - the thing is - we are very near with Rebol, but not there 
yet, and that is a pity. Dunno what would be neede, but IIRC even 
Carl told us, that better granularity for events is needed and it 
was his plan, but not high on priority list. Dunno if opening View 
would help here ...

Chris - very nice demo ... but maybe I should open content about 
"who produces the smoothest text scrolling demo wins :-)"

Why does that matter?  Why do ads have to be smooth?

because smoothness produces better kind of attraction to ad

They don't need to be smooth, they just need to be smart.

Jaime's point is closer to the mark -- it is authoring that matters.

I played few presentation for ppl using ppt and than few ones using 
Scala ... I did it on intention and I do remember those reactions 
...

Chris showed a great presentation tool + presentation, custom crafted 
for DevCon2004, which looked so effortless, maybe some people did 
not know how cool it really was...;-)

eFish -- I need to get around to publishing it.

It wasn't smart, but would get your attention.  It was interactive 
to boot.

It wasn't 'smooth', that is...

arresting

the cool thing in my mind is that it didn't look like a presentation 
slide show.

but why not be kings, if we could be kings ... how would you do image 
transitions, if we will not have fast means of pixel changes? Pokeing 
at image is not the way to go ... hopefully Cyphre has something 
in mind and will influence Carl a bit as he did with AGG ....

you rounded the corners, you made it more tween a movie and a presentation...nice 
blend.

Pekr, you can be a king, if only you learn to wear the crown. "said 
in the voice of the Princess in

what kind of presentation are you talking about? Is it anywhere in 
DevCon download section?

The Never Ending Story

you can see some of it in Chris...mov I suppose.  Haven't watched 
it since the real thing.

Pekr, you make me think of the Doubting Thomas who was on vacation 
during the "Pentocost"

OK, my main point was - why use rebol for presentation, if 1) it 
can be used only by me, and adv company can't deliver its own content 
2) no Authoring tool exists (although dialect is a good start) 3) 
it will hardly produce better output that Scala

the wise thing initially imo would be to "deploy", not to reinvent 
....

I want to produce kiosk, put pc in, add touchscreen, start windows 
or linux, install scala player, ppt player, whatever player, add 
ios client to sync what/when/how should be played, play the advert 
... that is the whole initial plan

Pekr, you are correctly pointing out that things like IOS have NO 
limitations...Freedom to do it as you want to.

some may even want static presentation using html and few flash anims 
... I just need to be able to script/navigate/kill it ....

and that is a salient point which I make in sales pitches.

I can't produce all presentations for such companies, I don't own 
gfx studio nor am I skilled as Chris is, so I want to give companies 
freedom to bring in own spots ...

but it does not mean I would not like to see rebol based tool :-) 
I am still surprised by Jeff's anim dialect, very cool aproach, could 
be extended ....

That's what I did for my presentation.

otoh I don't give up on possibility to make things better. Some of 
us were telling View was OK even before AGG, now we know AGG was 
good addition. The same may go for few small twist to View kernels, 
which would open many more possibilities ....

Reading Carl only group I wonder what will be the next blog about 
:-)

Does anyone own mac-mini already?

but just don't forget how open REBOL already is...you might confuse 
others to think what they want to do is impossible.  It IS possible 
right now to make the killer authoring tool of your dreams.

(and I AM working on them)

This is an example slide from my presentation -- this could be simplified 
further:

#start [
    across backdrop black
    box 500x100 return box 500x180
    animation 200x180 load-stock 'face-anim anim-rate [#1 0:0:2]
    return image load-stock "title" :0:0 [1:0 fade black 8]
]

but wouldn't you prefer it it all could be done in rebol only, plus 
some VM, so no need to produce separate libraries, needing to compile 
them for each target platform?

This is another:
#section-1 header "design and the x-internet"

I AM doing REBOL-only solutions (well, of course, there are some 
caveats to that, but in the current solutions)

hmm ... have you looked at Lingo? I wonder if you can produce dependency 
tree using such dialect? It could be imo done. I mean e.g. - don't 
start clip2 unless clip1 is finished or logo is moved already to 
position XxY etc.

ok, I need to move on to get myself home ... lot's of snow here ... 
hopefully back in one or two hours ...

Note that in the first slide, it is simply VID code.  Slides can 
be referenced by their #id -- pres-face/goto #section-1

[OT a bit]

if you look at 'presentation' from the normal usage, like Powerpoint.. 
then there will always be a deficiency (my opinion).


But, presentation on a wider scale... think of your cable provider 
broadcasting 'ads' (or presentation etc) using some rebol based stuffs. 
iTV, STB... content provider will always abuse bandwidth. 


With bandwidth being commoditize, the key problem in the future is 
throughput. Concurrent demand for something some memory hungy content.

yes, but rebol can be efficient here - you do pass only a dialect 
... that is rebol's win

While other talk about semantic web, they talk, but we are there

yes, there is nothing stopping us.

but I do wish on better multimedia engine, and we know View can be 
optimised .... I already asked Carl to blog more on opening rebol, 
he agreed, but he told me first things first, so I expect him to 
do so once rebservices etc. are out ...

All I say, Petr, is don't let technical limitations inhibit your 
imagination...

Once Carl opens View, we need to invite Dave Haynie and Paul Nolan 
;-)