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Limited Core Features

 [1/8] from: kaveh:shahbazian:gmai:l at: 9-Jan-2008 14:07


Hi all! I have just introduced to REBOL; so I am going to see through it! 1 - But at the starting point I have seen some annoying signs that I have read in the user manual: Some part of core features are not free; some important parts like ability to write native extensions! I think I can not tolerate limited core features in long run. I prefer the dialects be closed and commercial; not some core features. 2 - What is this AltME? Where is your REBOL world? (Is it somewhere in WoW? ;) ) Thank you -- Kaveh Shahbazian email: kaveh.shahbazian-gmail.com

 [2/8] from: gregg:pointillistic at: 9-Jan-2008 15:14


Hi Kaveh, KS> I have just introduced to REBOL; so I am going to see through it! Welcome! KS> 1 - But at the starting point I have seen some annoying signs that I have KS> read in the user manual: KS> Some part of core features are not free; some important parts like ability KS> to write native extensions! KS> I think I can not tolerate limited core features in long run. I prefer the KS> dialects be closed and commercial; not some core features. That's just the way it is. REBOL 3 has just been released in alpha form, and it will open up much more of the system for extension and such, but there will still be a closed kernel. At this time, there are no plans to make REBOL entirely Open Source, and the extension model is not solidified yet. What exactly do you need native extensions for? KS> 2 - What is this AltME? Where is your REBOL world? (Is it somewhere in WoW? KS> ;) ) www.safeworlds.com If you decide to continue with REBOL, I can set up an account for you on the main REBOL world. -- Gregg

 [3/8] from: kaveh:shahbazian:gm:ail at: 9-Jan-2008 15:42


Thanks Gregg I did not mean REBOL should go open source (I place REBOL core in same train with Adobe Flash Player itself which is closed source) and I have no problem with it's closed source core (Java for many years behaves this way and that was not a problem). But I mean some essential features are just accessible in (for example) REBOL/Command; and not in REBOL/Core. Thorning apart the language itself in separate components, is ugly. For instance a function type (which of course is a part of language) named Routine is just available in REBOL/Command; which I think should not be this way. This way in fact I am working for different languages and when I am programming I must be concerned about none-programming issues. On Jan 9, 2008 2:14 PM, Gregg Irwin <gregg-pointillistic.com> wrote:
> Hi Kaveh, > KS> I have just introduced to REBOL; so I am going to see through it!
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-- Kaveh Shahbazian email: kaveh.shahbazian-gmail.com

 [4/8] from: gregg:pointillistic at: 9-Jan-2008 17:38


Hi Kaveh, A lot of people feel the way you do. The hard part is, how does RT make money from REBOL if they give everything away for free? It's an ongoing discussion. -- Gregg

 [5/8] from: henrik::webz::dk at: 12-Jan-2008 15:16


On 10/01/2008, at 00.42, Kaveh Shahbazian wrote:
> Thanks Gregg > I did not mean REBOL should go open source (I place REBOL core in
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> I am > programming I must be concerned about none-programming issues.
Yes, this has always been one of the disadvantages of REBOL2. It was a method in the past for REBOL Technologies to try to make money off REBOL by only making all advanced features available in REBOL/Command. With REBOL3 this will go away, as most of the system is entirely open, except the very core, to protect the language design. If the system is open, people can add these features themselves for free and bypass any such locking, hence it would be a waste of time to make certain features locked. Therefore REBOL3 will be free, as in beer. But I have no knowledge on the price on SDKs or products made with REBOL3. It's likely that these will still cost money, but don't quote me on it. And... Welcome to REBOL! :-) With the above in mind, I hope you'll take your time to study this amazing language, despite REBOL2's shortcomings. You can still get very far within its confines, because of it's depth. REBOL3 will address most of these shortcomings. It has just into public alpha and will develop throughout 2008 toward a full release. Alphas will be released on a regular basis and I hope you'll want to try them out, even to test the difference between REBOL2 and REBOL3. -- Regards, Henrik Mikael Kristensen

 [6/8] from: kaveh::shahbazian::gmail::com at: 12-Jan-2008 10:02


Henrik Thanks for your kind and precise answer. Indeed I hope to find fair enough time to enjoy REBOL. I think it would be very attractive to have a mode_REBOL for apache. I can not justify if this is against REBOL philosophy or not. But I do not think so. So providing a whole life-cycle of a web-development tool (in manner of InstantRails or XAMPP) will help REBOL to some extends (and It seems to be very easy to have something more sophisticated than Rails in REBOL). Best Regards Kaveh Shahbazian email: kaveh.shahbazian-gmail.com On Jan 12, 2008 6:16 AM, Henrik Mikael Kristensen <henrik-webz.dk> wrote:

 [7/8] from: santilli::gabriele::gmail::com at: 13-Jan-2008 11:36


On Jan 12, 2008 7:02 PM, Kaveh Shahbazian <kaveh.shahbazian-gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it would be very attractive to have a mode_REBOL for apache. I can
There was one once, but it was decided that it was better to just use FastCGI rather than having to keep up with the constantly changing Apache (as FastCGI will work with all the other servers too). That being said... you can make your own with R3. :-) Regards, Gabriele.

 [8/8] from: carl::cybercraft::co::nz at: 17-Jan-2008 13:47


On Wednesday, 9-January-2008 at 17:38:10 Gregg Irwin wrote,
>Hi Kaveh, > >A lot of people feel the way you do. The hard part is, how does RT >make money from REBOL if they give everything away for free? It's an >ongoing discussion.
An example... http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/2008/01/16/sun-mysql-linux-tech-enter-cx_ag_0116sun.html The money comes after an open-source product has become popular. -- Carl Read.

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