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dot reb <=> dot net (was .reb)

 [1/10] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 18-Aug-2001 11:46


>Other things I can do starting next month are: > >- a P2P database storage system >- any P2P tool (Groove, napster,...) > >What does my user base wants me to do? ;-)
As a soon to be user any of the above sounds great! :-) A DB system, a groove like tool are tops on my own list of things I'd like to have. I would add a core set of "extensions" that let us do XML better as well. There is a great wealth of individual projects on this list and on the REB that should be considered as well at least for starting points. Here are some that come to mind immediately but there are many more to consider as well - 1. Etienne's Virtual Office 2. Gabriele's PDF-Maker 3. Graham's SOAP work 4. Sean & Carl's RIM
>Still: anyone interested?
Yes, very much so. I have a server machine sitting next to me that needs some work to get on the net but once that is done I think I could offer some service hosting as well. Thanks, Rod. Rod Gaither Oak Ridge, NC - USA [rgaither--triad--rr--com]

 [2/10] from: etienne:alaurent:free at: 18-Aug-2001 18:59


Hi, Le sam, 18 aoû 2001, vous avez écrit :
>There is a great wealth of individual projects on this >list and on the REB that should be considered as
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>3. Graham's SOAP work >4. Sean & Carl's RIM
All your mails were very interesting. If anyone of you decide to go on with a well defined project, I am your man ;-) --- Etienne

 [3/10] from: m:koopmans2:chello:nl at: 18-Aug-2001 22:12


The problem to me always seems that most things are already done, so you can only try to improve on that. For example Groove. A P2P db system could be ground-breaking, I think. With Rugby the essential middleware is there to move things around, so it is only -a matter of a bootstrap presence provider -an intelligent way to store and move information. The obvious drawback in a pure P2P DB system is that you may loose information when nodes go down. If you do a thing like Groove or Freenet with it then that's OK. The other thing I'd like to do is pure Dot Reb: - Federated Rugby services a la SOAP / UDDI, but now easy - RIDE: The Rebol IDE Think of what you can related to all that grid distributed computing stuff! As for XML, somebody out here did some improved tools for parsing (?) --Maarten

 [4/10] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 18-Aug-2001 17:17


>The problem to me always seems that most things are already done, >so you can only try to improve on that. For example Groove.
Very true that things like Groove and Napster have already been done. Still, sometimes it is the "way" it gets done that is the really important part. For example I think Groove is windows only, very Fat , and resource intensive - the opposite of any REBOL based solution. :-)
>A P2P db system could be ground-breaking, I think. With Rugby >the essential middleware is there to move things around, so it is only
Perhaps groundbreaking in the "framework" layer but it isn't an application in itself. It would be a huge help in building the groundbreaking LDC style applications though.
>The obvious drawback in a pure P2P DB system is that you may loose >information when nodes go down. If you do a thing like Groove or Freenet
This is true just as with any internet resource. Even the View desktop has to deal with this possibility. That layer of finding/publishing resources or managing a local cache of data, perhaps providing mirroring, and such are the parts the application developer would rather not have to write. Build those layers and persistence handling on top of Rugby and look out!
>The other thing I'd like to do is pure Dot Reb: >- Federated Rugby services a la SOAP / UDDI, but now easy >- RIDE: The Rebol IDE
My big pet project is a "knowledgebase" application that provides the framework and UI to manage loosely structured data in a distributed fashion. (see the M-Lore reb site for a lengthy rambling spec :-)) Another project idea I've had and others have mentioned is an environment to provide online training. This is another application that needs a killer internet version. Most of the web based ones are slow and limited in capabilities. It is time to get out of the "browser" limited mode and start thinking different levels of interaction.
>As for XML, somebody out here did some improved tools for parsing (?)
I know a couple have floated by but I haven't had time to try them out. Part of my point is that as a group this list and the REB resources are very feature rich areas to search through. Thanks, Rod.
>--Maarten >> >Other things I can do starting next month are:
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>[rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the >subject, without the quotes.
Rod Gaither Oak Ridge, NC - USA [rgaither--triad--rr--com]

 [5/10] from: m:koopmans2:chello:nl at: 19-Aug-2001 0:31


I think the order (will have to) be: - Dot Reb - P2P DB Let's see what I can make the next few months. --Maarten

 [6/10] from: m:koopmans2:chello:nl at: 18-Aug-2001 8:23


No.... I am talking about dot reb as in dot net. Just an architectural name.... With Reol services available all over the place. Other things I can do starting next month are: - a P2P database storage system - any P2P tool (Groove, napster,...) What does my user base wants me to do? ;-) Still: anyone interested? --Maarten

 [7/10] from: brett:codeconscious at: 18-Aug-2001 22:26


> Other things I can do starting next month are: > > - a P2P database storage system > - any P2P tool (Groove, napster,...) > > What does my user base wants me to do? ;-)
Anything you feel fills a need. I await the results of your next project with anticipation. :) Brett.

 [8/10] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 18-Aug-2001 14:42


----- Original Message ----- From: "Maarten Koopmans" <[m--koopmans2--chello--nl]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: [REBOL] dot reb <=> dot net (was .reb)
> No.... I am talking about dot reb as in dot net. Just an architectural > name....
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> What does my user base wants me to do? ;-) > Still: anyone interested?
Hmm, what about installing few rugby servers around? Maybe I could run some on our rebol.cz server. The question is - how can we best get around firewall problems? We run special ports, right? The problem, which exists with RIM conference too, but probably has no solution? -pekr-

 [9/10] from: m:koopmans2:chello:nl at: 18-Aug-2001 14:41


Ha! My complete user-bae is speaking out ;-) Thanks, Maarten

 [10/10] from: m:koopmans2:chello:nl at: 18-Aug-2001 14:47


I don't think firewalling will be the problem. Rugby requests are easily wrapped in CGI requests. I am thinkingof a MySQL database with web access and a simple lookup.r like scheme (but then MySQL driven) for posting and removing rugby services. We need a simple service descriptor dialect to go with that, and then we are ready to out-everything .Not --Maarten

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