Making money with Rebol?
[1/18] from: webmaster::siliconspecies::com at: 12-Feb-2001 15:55
Anyone making money with Rebol?
Just curious.
Seems hard since basically no one looking to hire even has a clue as to what
Rebol is and are already well entrenched in other solutions.
Educating a potential client on the advantages of a new solution is
difficult at best.
Any ideas?
Jeff
[2/18] from: al:bri:xtra at: 13-Feb-2001 15:37
> Anyone making money with Rebol?
I'm endeavouring to.
Andrew Martin
ICQ: 26227169 http://members.nbci.com/AndrewMartin/
[3/18] from: ralph:abooks at: 12-Feb-2001 22:55
>Anyone making money with Rebol?
>Just curious.
<<quoted lines omitted: 5>>
>Any ideas?
>Jeff
Hi Jeff, yes, REBOL has done very well for me. Of course, I made money doing
the Dummies book but the longterm profits are coming from the e-commerce
systems written in REBOL that pull in orders everyday. It's a quick and
wonderful development tool.
--Ralph Roberts
[4/18] from: gschwarz:netconnect:au at: 13-Feb-2001 15:21
I have not made money, but Rebol has helped me update over 100 web pages
from a data base. One change and all pages and there links, pictures are
updated. One hour update job is now done in 30 seconds.
Greg
[5/18] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 13-Feb-2001 2:56
I could be trite and say Carl, Jim, Jeff, Holger, Bo etc etc.
Whilst making money is very important in as much as we all need to pay to
provide food & shelter as well as luxury goods & services, should it really
be of any worthwhile consideration when trying to learn & understand &
develop "a better means of expression" i.e REBOL.
If you are only in it for the money then why not just learn Visual Basic and
go and provide customised Microsoft Office Applications for Businesses, you
have a lifetimes work of maintaining, upgrading & de-bugging.
Charles Moore of FORTH fame once said there are 3 things you cn try to do
with a computer;
1. Try to be famous - this is very unlikely!
2. Try to get rich - this is very hard!
3. Try to have fun - this is easy!
REBOL will become more popular and there will be people who will earn their
living with REBOL, but just now the language is still very young compared to
it's competitor languages and withouth the backing of an industry giant to
steamroller it over everybody, but REBOL will succeed because it is simply a
much easier and more powerful means of expression.
My advice, Get a day job to pay the bills, try to get REBOL work if & when
you can, what the heck! learn & use REBOL just for the fun of it, you'll be
doing yourself a favour.
Mark Dickson
[6/18] from: jeff:rebol at: 13-Feb-2001 5:20
Howdy, Mark:
> My advice, Get a day job to pay the bills, try to get REBOL
> work if & when you can, what the heck! learn & use REBOL
> just for the fun of it, you'll be doing yourself a favour.
I think I've heard it said before that success in life is
all about finding something you love to do and then making
that your day job.
-jeff
[7/18] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 13-Feb-2001 8:59
Jeff,
ask Carl to give me a job please!
only kidding??
Mark
[8/18] from: steve:shireman:semaxwireless at: 13-Feb-2001 8:45
[jeff--rebol--net] wrote:
> Howdy, Mark:
> > My advice, Get a day job to pay the bills, try to get REBOL
<<quoted lines omitted: 4>>
> that your day job.
> -jeff
I hadn't heard that saying before, but I 'love' it!!!
I heard another saying that you should do best what you do best and
don't worry, the money will follow.
Rebol isn't just a language, or even just a new way to operate the Web.
Rebol is also a passion which radiates from the Console or View or
Application as you open them.
The elegance of the truth and beauty in its design (which is alive)
relieves the stresses which modern technology had intruded into our
lives.
Steve Shireman
[9/18] from: ralph:abooks at: 13-Feb-2001 9:59
> I think I've heard it said before that success in life is
> all about finding something you love to do and then making
> that your day job.
>
> -jeff
>
You got it, Jeff! I decided that 23 years ago and have been enjoying myself
tremendously since then<g>.
Ralph Roberts, CEO
ALEXANDER BOOKS/ Creativity, Inc.
65 Macedonia Road
Alexander, NC 28701 USA
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[10/18] from: doug:vos:eds at: 13-Feb-2001 10:20
First try saving your company money.
Just ask your boss for some extra work,
solving a few problems that everyone else
has neglected. Use a little observation,
and discernment. Then just write
the scripts in rebol and solve the business
problem.
That's all I did, and from that small beginning (1.5 years ago),
I now have 147 smallish REBOL scripts in production and 2 people
in training (REBOL/web-development/training/internship).
To be honest, we are using other tools, like
Perl, Python, MacroMedia, Web-Objects, Java, etc.
But, there is nothing wrong with using REBOL...
... now that we are solving problems and saving
the company money!
It you try the above suggestions,
and you are still not happy.. maybe it's
time to get a "REAL JOB" at EDS.
see http://www.eds.com
-DJV-
Disclaimer:
The above remarks are the personal
observations of the writer (DJV)
and may not necessarily reflect
the opinions of my employer.
[11/18] from: mccarter:uniserve at: 13-Feb-2001 11:21
I'm here in Seattle hitting the job fairs and having interviews with software
companies and professionals, I have yet to meet one person that has even
heard of Rebol. Well that is until they meet Me that is.... 8-).
Man, am I ever glad I followed what Carl was up to after he left C=, and
now I can use MySQL too!!! It don't get much better..
Bill.
Jeff Rubin wrote:
[12/18] from: allenk:powerup:au at: 14-Feb-2001 6:46
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vos, Doug" <[doug--vos--eds--com]>
To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:20 AM
Subject: [REBOL] Re: Making money with Rebol?
> First try saving your company money.
> Just ask your boss for some extra work,
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> the scripts in rebol and solve the business
> problem.
Doug is right here, businesses buy solutions to business problems.
Look around, small business do not have the money for IT departments, but
they do for time saving solutions. Find any growing small business, and the
story is usually the same. the owner works excessively long hours. Promise
to save them an hour or more a week by automating something and you've got a
sale, odds are the same solution will appeal to the next small business you
approach too.
> That's all I did, and from that small beginning (1.5 years ago),
> I now have 147 smallish REBOL scripts in production and 2 people
> in training (REBOL/web-development/training/internship).
>
<snipped>
> It you try the above suggestions,
> and you are still not happy.. maybe it's
> time to get a "REAL JOB" at EDS.
Doug, when EDS opens an office in Brisbane, I'll consider it. :-)
Cheers,
Allen K
[13/18] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 13-Feb-2001 14:31
I know where you are coming from. I actually ran across this same situation
when I used to write Visual BASIC. VB was still young, and while it was one of
the fastest ways to write an application at the time, people still thought it
must be written in C. By the time I learned C well enough, Visual BASIC was
largely accepted by the masses. Where I work now, I actually got hired because
I was a C programmer, though I haven't written a single line of it on the job.
The problem is that your prospective clients are pre-educated. In order to
break in, you would need to re-educate them, or conform to thier belief system.
This relates to pulling thier teeth, or pulling your own. Not much fun either
way.
One alternative is to get uneducated clients and educate them. Small businesses
tend to be uneducated about computerized solutions. Some businesses spend days
on simple repetitive reports, just because they do not know how easily such
things can be automated. Many still dont even have a web presence. Yes, true
they usually dont have much money, but that means you just sell them smaller
solutions.
If you want to work for a company, at this time you probably wont get hired
because your a REBOL programmer. That will probably take a few more years,
unless you live near me.
I am in the process of wrapping up a Palm OS based data collection system.
While not picky about what language you use on the server end, REBOL of course
has numerous benifits. This system should provide the REBOL community some
system integration opportunities. I will tell more at a later time.
By using REBOL, I have probably doubled my productivity, at the same time
doubling my capabilities. To provide twice the solution for half the cost, is a
treasured position to be in.
--Ryan
Jeff Rubin wrote:
[14/18] from: tim:johnsons-web at: 14-Feb-2001 8:14
Well.....
I'm a programmer. That's how I make my money.
I do most of my programming in rebol.
And that's a pleasure.
--
Tim Johnson
-----------
Of all manifestations of power,
restraint impresses the most.
-Thucydides
[15/18] from: norsepower:uswest at: 12-Feb-2001 18:02
Luckily, I just started with a company whose web site was an afterthought
until now. I am their new web developer. I am pushing hard to purchase and
install /Command on the web server. At least they'll let me use REBOL for the
corporate intranet.
slow and steady...
-Ryan
[16/18] from: dvydra2:y:ahoo at: 15-Feb-2001 17:59
I have been doing about 70% Rebol at my job for the
last 2 months. We wrote a Domain Language to XML
compiler.
How did this come about? I casully left a copy of Dr
Dobbs article about Rebol on my desk. My boss picked
it up. Stayed up all night playing with dialects and
decided to use it. Off-course it helps having a true
hacker for a boss :)
Regards
David
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[17/18] from: al:bri:xtra at: 16-Feb-2001 15:14
David wrote:
> How did this come about? I casully left a copy of Dr Dobbs article about
Rebol on my desk. My boss picked it up. Stayed up all night playing with
dialects and decided to use it. Off-course it helps having a true hacker for
a boss :)
An elegant example of programming human beings...
Andrew Martin
ICQ: 26227169 http://members.nbci.com/AndrewMartin/
[18/18] from: chaz:innocent at: 15-Feb-2001 21:40
I second that emotion!
chaz
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