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[REBOL] Re: zip file support wanted - help needed

From: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 16-Mar-2001 7:10

Joel Neely wrote:
> Hello, Petr, (and world!)... > > Petr Krenzelok wrote: > > > > I know what multiplatform issue means. I am sorry but sometimes all > > that be-multiplatform-or-die voices sounds a little bit > > "masochistic" to me :-) > > > > Perhaps, but the demands of a typical multiplatform each-box-does- > -things-differently seem more than a little bit sadistic to me ;-)
yes, it does, but adding /shell support or even /library one works completly the same way thru all the platforms ;-)
> > Isn't purpose of language to SOLVE various situations in first > > place? How often do MOST ppl in reality need their solution to work > > on more than one platform? On more than two platforms? etc.? > > > > I can only speak for myself, but I LIVE in a multiplatform world ... > > Solaris > HP-UX > Linux > w95 > w2000 > MacOS > > ... and consider cross-platform compatibility to be a survival issue > rather than a luxury, for at least the following reasons: >
OK, I can understand it - I have nothing against cross-platform compatibility of language itself, but it's not in opposite what did I say in previous email ... I am not sure you understand my point of view? I haven't said anything about breaking cross-platform compatibility. But - being able to execute external app by: call "some.exe" sounds pretty the same to me as do %some.r - as what if I don't have %some.r available? What if %some.r refers to any of your images you forgot to send me? I regard it being just completly the same kind of dependence upon "external environment" Let's stand the facts, please: - including /shell or /library into /Core DOESN'T prevent you from performing any of your test, which requires strong compatibility - current state LIMITS Rebol from certain area of usage. What if some app provides you output in .zip format? :-) You are dead using /Core, while what's more - you could find many usefull utils (e.g. aforementioned .zip) for whole bunch of platforms, including those you are using personally :-) - current state CAUSED some ppl left us. (e.g. /Apache situation and some opinions stating text databases are suitable for most cases ... I am not arguing here, but 3 of my friends refused to even bother to look into /Apache module beta once I told them there's no link to SQLs). I would like to suggest to NOT depreciate such factor. Bad reference is very dangerous. One person can affect many ppl's opinion. - my personal POV is - it's not cross-platform compatibility, which holds RT back from inclusion of /shell or /library into /Core, but licencing/money related issue. - My opinion is - language is stable enough to allow inclusion of /shell or even /library into core language .... What other things current state of things shows?: - there were many requests cor features like sound, ability to do this or that ... that shows something .... - what about cross-platform solutions like: - multimedia libraries ... you can find there Python, Perl ... for free. But you will NOT find Rebol there. There is many ppl who would like to use Rebol just for joy - bobbyists. The will not/can't buy/afford to buy 249 or even 4xx USD /Command just to call external library or launch externall app ... I call it .... reality check ... ;-) Cheers, -pekr-