[REBOL] Re: Cookbook submissions idea
From: jason:cunliffe:verizon at: 12-Jan-2004 21:18
> sorry to snip your whole talk about Vanilla. While Vanilla or Wiki,
> whatever may be nice design to study, I think you overestimate its
> usefullness for Rebol. I am sorry to very strongly back-up Robert's pov,
> but I can bet that if free version of IOS like sync mechanism would
> exist, much cooler scenarios could be created - with rebol, for rebol -
Hey no problem Petr.
Thanks I really welcome different perspectives. I am sure much cooler
scenarios could be created
IF..if ..if ..if
And believe me I have plenty of my own big dreams for years about
multi-user messaging applications. It's what led me to Rebol :-)
The web is extremely useful and I don't think it is going away.
Interoperability is good. There is [hopefully]
gainful employment to be had.
I am also a big fan for years of desktop peer-peer apps which co-habit
seamlessly with the web and each other. For example, I tried to do that with
Zope in an EU-funded project 5 years ago. My design had a single
download/install .exe which included Zope so that we could multi-user
collaboration for off-line and online access. Many end-users only had
occasional dial-up modem access. What is nice is that Zope bundles several
servers FTP, WebDav, http, and can be remotely controlled by XML-RPC also.
The project was for inter-modal transportation and needed to interface
shippers, agents, truckers in several countries and juggling shifting
calendars against itinerary and capacity.User interface was html + flash,
with extra shipping database in BerkeleyDB wrapped as Zope product. Good
ideas but too steep learning curve, too soon for the technologies used. Not
enough other Python/Zope/Flash people in the project. So one painful lesson
for me was that if you use a rare/new technology/paradigm you have to cover
yourself and make sure it interfaces well with other mainstream systems as
much as possible, and/or is completely transparent.
Anyway I just like Vanilla. And after expecially Zope I adore its
simplicity, though cannot compare them.
I see personally see quite a bit of untapped potential in its design. I have
some ideas about websites which I want to explore. And since Vanilla is
written in Rebol, I can hope that someday Vanilla or something like it will
also talk more with other cool rebol developments. Like Easy-Vid :-)
I wish oh wish that there was a better solution than the feeble cgi
dependency which vanilla has now.
I wish there were a mega cool rebol universal server framework
--- http, ftp, rebol, XMPP[jabber], plugin-architecture modular,
cross-platform,fast install, etc.
But there are simply too few experienced rebol programmers out there. You
are all very talented and dedicated, but only so many hours in all our
lifetimes. And few eyes yet to support documentation, testing, fixes, all
that must go into building the momentum which the best openSource projects
So yes it's very hard to make progress. But we each are working on areas we
feel motivated to. I am not a very good coder. I wish I was better and
faster. So much I want to build. One reason I like Vanilla is that it is
quite easy for me to extend.
There is a framework I mostly understand now. Hacking Vanilla has helped me
learn rebol a little and provided motivation and satisfaction.
I don't know how long before I move on from thinking about Vanilla honestly.
Speed and scalibility worry me. If I was smart I'd just use some Python or
learn PHP and pick a tool that already everything and play with them. But
trouble is I am hooked on Rebol/Vanilla. If I don't get some very so often I
get the blues.. Do you know a doctor who can help me?
And besides Gerard was looking for a platform/site to host beginner rebol
One of the big problems still is that rebol is badly off the google radar.
That's pretty bad for beginners.
Rebol.org is great progress though.
btw Google for some reasons seems to like Vanilla.... :-)