[REBOL] Re: Who read this mailing list?
From: gchillemi:aliceposta:it at: 24-Nov-2007 17:09
> >I have read everywhere to have a personal opinion about the release
> >Rebol 3 won't be complete for another one and half year. Expect a
> >alpha/beta during the end of the winter/start of the spring; all
> >protocols will be ready by the end of 2008/start of 2009 and
> then the
> >new VID will see the light. In 2009 rebol will face the
> major debugging
> >work and in 2010/2011 many external modules will be integrated into
> >Rebol new open = architecture.
> That's a very long three months...
Carl (And Alessandro), I want to support my opinion:
Rebol is currently on Alpha, or pre-Alpha Stage.
The modules structure and documentation has just been released (see
DevBase, the most importan collaboration structure for developing Rebol 3 is
just here (see http://www.rebol.com/article/0344.html)
There is only one protocol ready: the http protocol
The new VID is on only on Carl's mind
We are at the end of year 2007.
Rebol is a Big project, a programming language that should be build to be
intefaced with the current software scenarios available in the world.
In this situation Rebol3/Core will need at least 3 months to leave the
pre-alpha stage and go alpha. Then will come the time for the other
protocols to be implemented and debugged. This mean another 5-7 months. We
are at the end of the summer 2008.
Thinking in parallel, VID will be structured and engineered during this
time. A first implementation of the new VID will start after core with
protocols will go beta.
Should we think that 1 month is enough for a full GUI system ? No, it will
take surely 6 months to reach the beta stage. We are in the year 2009.
In the meantime core will be debugged and reach a release state.
Modules, as you have read in the blog, are still a prototype. Expert people
will start experiencing with them during the alpha/beta stage. Fully modules
won't be ready until 2009. Then "normal people" will start interesting into
moudules. They will need to learn how to use them and start programming.
Modules from the masses will come at start of 2010 and 2011.
This big project will need a debugging stage, isn't it ? The first available
year I see after the beta stage of core/vid system is 2009.
Don't forget that it will be the time for other projects to start:
- Parallel Tasks
- Firefox/Internet Explorer R3 Plugin
- Fully Documentation For Core/VID/SOA Architecture and examples
- Full SDK/Command/Encap
- Multi Platform releases
The year 2009 will end and we are in 2010. The project starts to be mature
for the release of components for Rebol and software based on the new
2010-2011 Seems the time-frame for the firsts maturity and usabilty of
Rebol3 in big projects.
Rebol Users will be very happy in 2011 and olimpic games of 2012. No sooner,
What we can do until then ?
We must user Rebol2 for the projects it is suited for.
If there is another programming language more suitable for our projects use
it and avoid moaning about Rebol3 not being here.
If we believe in Carl and Rebol3 help him and don't abandon the guru if his
dream will need more time than we think.
Use our experience with other programming software to bring to rebol new
ideas and projects.
Don't be negative with Carl and the Team: they are humans and needs our
respect and support. We are mature enough to leave to Daddy and make for
some time another street without stressing him until he will end his work
(Which will happen sooner and happyer without our conmplains)
To answer to Alessandro: in 2011-2012 I will still be here but with more
ideas and experience than before.