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[REBOL] Re: Encap/Distributions

From: tim:johnsons-web at: 21-Oct-2001 14:06

Jason has written a VERY insightful email. I just had to add a little more of my two cents worth. Remember, it is just 2 cents worth!
<snip> > job for life? ...ouch not so fast... > Last year was a pretty rocky year for the Python core crew: > They left the CNRI ship when it became clear those hearts/heads were not > into the spirit of Python. Found a refuge in a hillside camp at the > hideously named 'BeOpen' while patiently dodging a series of energy-zapping > ugly licensing-related mortar attacks from CNRI and elsewhere.
What a difference a year makes!!
> encap: next encap > REBOL presently lacks suitable hands-on evangelists in the press. Most > stories are old. REBOL/Encap is not articulated anywhere that I can see
Kind of a chicken-or-egg scenario ... :>(. Python has a place in linux because it runs many Linux install and config programs. Really think RT needs to work to get core as part of Linux Distros.
> except by reference and advice to send an email.
Here's a story for you: System administrator that I know adminsters a Windows 2000 Server. Called RT to ask if Windows 95/98/NT version had been tested on Win 2000. The person on the other end said something like: Try it and let us know how it works. Bad marketing RT. Bad, bad marketing.
>If Encap is 'shipping' then > why not post some demos on so people can try it out?
> This parallels closely again the Zope story where Digital Creations kept > _very_ quiet about some major commercial uses of Zope, even as the on-line > developer community was clamoring for high-profile commercial examples to > help sell their bosses and potential clients with. DC were not making money > from Zope, [free+openSource] but they do make money with Zope, from > consulting contracts. > The lack of clarity, even a few well thought out paragraphs upfront- may do > some real damage I fear towards the commercial acceptance of REBOL. If the > strategy is not to promote Encap or to hide Rebol [Trojan horse?], then why > not directly address the needs of developers and their clients about > security/delivery/distribution etc.
I'm the world's worst self-promoter. I never advertise what I can do until I CAN do it. <hint! hint!>
> Suppose one does not need REBOL/Encap but does need to protect code adn have > a clear installation? > Where is that scenario played out.. What does anyone suggest? > > So what are the lessons for REBOL in this saga? > > I believe REBOL/View is a killer toolkit in itself. > It is almost a killer app. But that is only the way designers and > enthisuastic developers look at it. The rest of the workld need books and > demos, and ones which are really simple to install. For some this means one > click, single executables, especially on Win32. > > To bring wider spread public attention and gain some valuable evangelists it > still lacks more turnkey apps [Rebol/IOS??] and/or encap executables to > accompany. > > If encap is NOT the a strategy and design philosophy then say so and say it > well. If it is crucial then make it accessible and promote it. > > Rebol and RT are obviously a small smart dedicated group of people with a > wonderful technology. Time and resources are scarce for everyone and > hopefully in the coming months REBOL/IOS will make things clearer. > > - Jason
Just one more thought. There is more to IT than dot-coms/dot-bombs, ecommerce etc. And it is a almost totally untouched area. I've written about it. I work in it. But getting people's attention is extremely difficult. So sad. Can you guess what it is? -- Tim Johnson <[tim--johnsons-web--com]>