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Encap

 [1/13] from: ptretter:charter at: 19-Oct-2001 18:47


Anyone know the status of Encap and if its being offered at all. I'm interested in its features, pricing, availability, etc.... Paul Tretter

 [2/13] from: holger:rebol at: 19-Oct-2001 17:13


On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 06:47:23PM -0500, Paul Tretter wrote:
> Anyone know the status of Encap and if its being offered at all. I'm interested in its features, pricing, availability, etc....
It is available, for the same platforms we are offering Command on. For pricing please contact [cindy--rebol--com]. Features: It is basically a version of Command (and Command/View) that lets you encapsulate a REBOL script in the binary. In addition to that it also lets you preconfigure network settings, security settings and a few other settings. -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

 [3/13] from: ptretter::charter::net at: 19-Oct-2001 21:31


With Encap can you distribute single packages executables and additionally archived exectables. Would there be extra cost per packaged product that I would have to pay? I know Cindy probably has most of the answers. Thanks for the reply Holger. Paul Tretter

 [4/13] from: chris:langreiter at: 20-Oct-2001 11:43


> Features: It is basically a version of Command (and Command/View) that > lets you encapsulate a REBOL script in the binary. In addition to that > it also lets you preconfigure network settings, security settings and > a few other settings.
But surely it is able to load additional REBOL scripts from text files as well, isn't it? Chris

 [5/13] from: sqlab:gmx at: 20-Oct-2001 13:56


> On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 06:47:23PM -0500, Paul Tretter wrote: > >
<<quoted lines omitted: 9>>
> Holger Kruse > [holger--rebol--com]
Despite some messages I exchanged with Cindy, I was never able to see the exact terms and conditions of the Aliance contract, nor did I get a valid offer. Therefore I am curious, if there is really someone using Encap for production. AR

 [6/13] from: holger:rebol at: 20-Oct-2001 9:08


On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 01:56:00PM +0200, [sqlab--gmx--net] wrote:
> Despite some messages I exchanged with Cindy, I was never able to see the > exact terms and conditions of the Aliance contract, nor did I get a valid > offer.
Strange...
> Therefore I am curious, if there is really someone using Encap for > production.
Yes. We have been shipping it. -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

 [7/13] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 20-Oct-2001 11:38


I spoke with Cindy recently and she said the new license agreement is almost done for encap. Beyond that, and with the caveat that I may mis-state things, here's my understanding. You can use encap to protect your source, by binding it to the REBOL runtime, but you don't have to. The Alliance (now called REBOL Royalty I think she said) is required if you want to sell your apps commercially even if you don't encap them. If you don't use encap on them, you may distribute the free versions of Core and/or View with your app, but not the pro versions. I didn't ask about encap'd code loading external code/data but I think that would have to be allowed because otherwise you couldn't deal with persistent data in native REBOL format, could you, and that would severely limit what kind of apps you could write. Again, without knowing the details, my guess is that an encap'd app doesn't provide access to the console. The licensing agreement, when it becomes available, should be clear on what you can and can't use it for. Building an app that provides significant functionality beyond REBOL itself should be allowed, but something like vconsole might be questionable. An IDE for REBOL should be allowed but there will be some gray areas to muddle through to be sure. At one point, MS had a clause in the VB license that said you couldn't use it to create a "database application" (can't remember the exact wording). Their intent was to say that you couldn't create an app competetive with Access using VB but it wasn't *clear* that was what they meant. As I think Carl said before, the legal side of things seems to take longer than the coding side. :) Remember that I could be wrong about all this and, if so, that's my fault. No gospel spoken here. --Gregg

 [8/13] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 20-Oct-2001 20:08


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregg Irwin" <[greggirwin--mindspring--com]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:38 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: Encap
> I spoke with Cindy recently and she said the new license agreement is
almost
> done for encap. Beyond that, and with the caveat that I may mis-state > things, here's my understanding. > > You can use encap to protect your source, by binding it to the REBOL > runtime, but you don't have to. The Alliance (now called REBOL Royalty I > think she said) is required if you want to sell your apps commercially
even
> if you don't encap them. If you don't use encap on them, you may
distribute
> the free versions of Core and/or View with your app, but not the pro > versions.
Huh, above two sentences seem to contradict one each other, no? I would expect free distribution of /Core and /View (not possible currently), if app is not sold or used for commercial purposes (difficult to define, as I can set price for app being 0, while charging 500USD for tech support :-), and source to app is provided. There should definitely be possibility to allow distribution of /Core, /View products, even in their /Pro version, of course, not for free. I just know cases/areas, where I would like to allow users to be productive, and Encapped app is limiting. But I can hardly push customer to buy Rebol themselves. I can imagine some special business conditions between "me" and RT, or just combined registration key - "pekr xy companyXY", or maybe such key should be registered to party selling app ... However, it seems to me that setting the right licencing policy is not all that easy ...
> I didn't ask about encap'd code loading external code/data but I think
that
> would have to be allowed because otherwise you couldn't deal with
persistent
> data in native REBOL format, could you, and that would severely limit what > kind of apps you could write. Again, without knowing the details, my guess > is that an encap'd app doesn't provide access to the console.
Any kind of rebol capabilities limitation would be stupid imo. That should be avoided by some license terms. You surely know that console can be emulated to some extent :-)
> As I think Carl said before, the legal side of things seems to take longer > than the coding side. :)
Yes, it does seem so :-) I still wonder if there will be possibility of "buy once - run everywhere, whatever" :-) -pekr-

 [9/13] from: sqlab:gmx at: 22-Oct-2001 10:22


> On Sat, Oct 20, 2001 at 01:56:00PM +0200, [sqlab--gmx--net] wrote: > > Despite some messages I exchanged with Cindy, I was never able to see
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> > offer. > Strange...
Ifd I remember right, Carl wrote to the list, that he is to blame for the delay.
> > Therefore I am curious, if there is really someone using Encap for > > production. > > Yes. We have been shipping it. > > -- > Holger Kruse > [holger--rebol--com] >
So you are shipping without final contracts ..? AR

 [10/13] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 22-Oct-2001 10:09


Hi AR, << So you are shipping without final contracts ..? >> Probably more that they're working on "version 1.1" of the contract. :) --Gregg

 [11/13] from: gpweb:free at: 15-Jan-2002 15:16


Hi, I've heard about Encap, something to make rebol script "runtimable", but I don't know much. Where can I find this soft? What is the license, the price? Thank you, GreG.

 [12/13] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 15-Jan-2002 9:44


You must sign up as a REBOL/Alliance member. RT gets 10% of what you make, and there is a $499 yearly royalty advance. Contact [cindy--rebol--com] for specific details. --Ryan [gpweb--free--fr] wrote:
> Hi, > I've heard about Encap, something to make rebol script "runtimable",
<<quoted lines omitted: 7>>
> [rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes.
-- Ryan Cole Programmer Analyst www.iesco-dms.com 707-468-5400 The contradiction so puzzling to the ordinary way of thinking comes from the fact that we have to use language to communicate our inner experience which in its very nature transcends lingistics. -D.T. Suzuki

 [13/13] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 15-Jan-2002 11:50


Hi Greg, << I've heard about Encap, something to make rebol script "runtimable", but I don't know much. Where can I find this soft? What is the license, the price? >> You can get it from RT directly. I believe they're calling it the REBOL Royalty program now. I *think* the cost is about $500/yr which is an advance of a 10% royalty which you would pay above and beyond that. Check with them directly to be sure and don't hold them to my poor memory. :) --Gregg

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