[REBOL] Re: template driven development? Re: Rebol Server Pages
From: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 10-Oct-2002 12:37
Brett Handley wrote:
>Re HTML. I wonder - is there any point worrying about HTML for new projects.
Well, Brett - all my project will be Rebol based. Rebol is cool, right?
But - one of our "output devices" is gonna be web-portal. What can we do
about it? Nothing. I have several complaints here:
- rebol cross platform principle is no more valid, sorry. We can hear
Linux folks complaints that here or there View doesn't work correctly,
not to mention non-existance of MacOSX port. What about Amiga, BeOS, or
more valid PS2, Java-based, Tao etc. environments? I KNOW that RT is
just few ppl and they can't do it all themselves - but that's just it -
- there would have to be different model of distribution too. Some kind
of Rebol player, self-maintanance. Download rebol and provide user with
very easy installation. Don't ask him for proxy etc. set-up, if he
surely has correct proxy set-up in his Windows setttings etc. I think
that with preprocessor and rebol packages, we are relatively near. We
just need to solve Rebol's own upgrade capability - which should not be
a problem at all. But if Rebol will not be treated as kind of system
plug-in - you will not get mass adoption, and in such case, I can't
Replace html presentation by Rebol ....
>My impression is that XHTML (XML) would be better as working documents for a
ah, so you talked about HTML vs XHTML? Well, so forget my above
comments, although they are still valid in some point :-)
>designer to manipulate going forward and the XMLC and Baracuda approach of
>incorporating symbols into the source document is the right way to go.
>However, I really don't know if the tools are supportive of this yet - maybe
>a designer can jump in here and comment. I also don't really know if XMLC
>and Baracuda have designed their respective embedded symbols simply enough
>for an end-user.
I will look into barracude too to see what it does offer. My friend is
far from being profi-level designer. But I work with what I've got - no
chance to do web design myself anyway :-)
>I agree with the point about RSP being an unsuitable format for working with
>a designer. In my view it is equivalent to a serialised script and therefore
>might have value in potentially being a sort of compiled form generated from
>some other more user-friendly specification/model.
>I'd like a nice REBOL specific solution to this issue as well (I want to
>rebuild codeconscious.com in a more context aware way than the string
>approach I'm using now). I envisage that I'll use XML (XHTML + something)
>as a editing space for my page design. The page design will be sucked up and
>transformed to some sort of REBOL model or dialect.
I don't want to invent yet-another-aproach-to-build-websites. I want let
designer his/her freedome to use tools which exist - FrontPage,
DreamWeaver, etc. So the only suitable path for me is - custom tags,
specific API (e.g. dialect), which will be handled on server ...
> I'll then need a
>processing model (hopefully the same dialect) that can bind my content to
>these page designs and finally something to emit the markup.
I don't want to bother with emiting markup at all if possible ...
>"bind my content" is so easy to write, but I know it will be hard to design
>a context model (engine) for page/site generation. Of course there'll be
>other user-agents (REBOL/View, and new ones) to worry about too.
>...dream.........dream dream dream......la la la :^)