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 [1/17] from: ryan:christiansen:intellisol at: 27-Mar-2001 13:10


Well, I think REBOL has answered a lot of questions as to what it's official product line is going to be in the near future, anyway... http://www.rebol.com/products.html But the product descriptions do not give me enough information, especially about /Express. Sometimes you need more than words, you need pictures. What does a link client's interface look like, for example? Ryan C. Christiansen Web Developer Intellisol International 4733 Amber Valley Parkway Fargo, ND 58104 701-235-3390 ext. 6671 FAX: 701-235-9940 http://www.intellisol.com Global Leader in People Performance Software _____________________________________ Confidentiality Notice This message may contain privileged and confidential information. If you think, for any reason, that this message may have been addressed to you in error, you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it, and we would ask you to notify us immediately by return email to [ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com]

 [2/17] from: chris:starforge at: 27-Mar-2001 20:28


#27-Mar-01# Message from [*ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com*]: Hi [ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com],
> Well, I think REBOL has answered a lot of questions as to what it's > official product line is going to be in the near future, anyway... > http://www.rebol.com/products.html
REBOL/Core/Pro /Core/Pro combines REBOL/Core with shell and library modules. This will be available on approximately 25 platforms. Price: $29.95 Availability: Q2 2001 It's official, there is a God... (provided one of those 25 platforms is Linux libc6 ;)) :) Happy Chris -- New sig in the works Explorer 2260, Designer and Coder http://www.starforge.co.uk -- +++ END OF TAGLINES ERROR +++ Out of Cheese alert +++ REDO FROM START +++

 [3/17] from: dan:rebol at: 27-Mar-2001 11:40


we're in the process of adding screen shots....thanks for the reminder. dan At 01:10 PM 3/27/01 -0600, you wrote:

 [4/17] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 27-Mar-2001 21:56


----- Original Message ----- From: <[ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: [REBOL] the answers
> Well, I think REBOL has answered a lot of questions as to what it's > official product line is going to be in the near future, anyway... > > http://www.rebol.com/products.html > > But the product descriptions do not give me enough information, especially > about /Express. Sometimes you need more than words, you need pictures.
What
> does a link client's interface look like, for example?
The current RT website content will surely evolve. I was told so on Express conference ;-) But for the time being - there is old good -pekr- :-) with his set of some of View based interfaces ... http://www.rebol.cz/~can/rebol-view/image26.jpg http://www.rebol.cz/~can/rebol-view/image29.jpg http://www.rebol.cz/~can/rebol-view/image30.jpg http://www.rebol.cz/~can/rebol-view/image31.jpg Enjoy! -pekr-

 [5/17] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 28-Mar-2001 7:58


On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:28:26 +0000 Chris <[chris--starforge--co--uk]> wrote:
> "REBOL/Core/Pro > > /Core/Pro combines REBOL/Core with shell and library > modules. This will be available on approximately 25 > platforms. > > Price: $29.95
So, REBOL/Link/Pro is View with shell access?? And what are the library modules? And which one combines View with ODBC? -- Graham Chiu

 [6/17] from: dan:rebol at: 27-Mar-2001 12:17


those are great Pekr...we might steal some from you :-) ds At 09:56 PM 3/27/01 +0200, you wrote:

 [7/17] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 27-Mar-2001 22:43


----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Chiu" <[gchiu--compkarori--co--nz]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: the answers
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:28:26 +0000 > Chris <[chris--starforge--co--uk]> wrote:
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> > Price: $29.95 > So, REBOL/Link/Pro is View with shell access??
and with library one ...
> And what are the library modules?
ability to call native platform libraries (e.g. .dll on Windows platforms ...)
> And which one combines View with ODBC?
View with ODBC? Hmm - such product seems to be missing, although it was planned IIRC :-) But who needs ODBC anymore once you can have library access? :-) Well - maybe there should be some kind of Link/Command ..... Dan? -pekr-

 [8/17] from: laplace::worldnet::fr at: 27-Mar-2001 23:41


I don't think a language can compete in business enterprise if it doesn't include components concept and accepts standards like activex or java applet. So does Rebol intend to do something soon about that ?

 [9/17] from: ptretter:norcom2000 at: 27-Mar-2001 16:02


Awesome price structure in my opinion and the selection is awesome. Especially at this point in the evolution. I can't wait for /Link if its as cool as it sounds I'll be making a very cool $49.00 purchase because I want that shell access as well. So where is /Link. Bring it on.... :) Paul Tretter

 [10/17] from: ryan:christiansen:intellisol at: 27-Mar-2001 16:25


If they compile /Link for use on the BeOS like they have with /View, I will be VERY happy. Finally, with shell access, I will be able to become a BeOS developer using the language I love and write applications for the operating system I love. Bring it on! Ryan C. Christiansen

 [11/17] from: bga:din:uem at: 27-Mar-2001 19:38


Em Tuesday, March 27 2001, 19:25:25, [ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com] ([ryan--christiansen--intellisol--com]) disse:
>If they compile /Link for use on the BeOS like they have with /View, I will >be VERY happy. Finally, with shell access, I will be able to become a BeOS >developer using the language I love and write applications for the >operating system I love. Bring it on!
You mean *WE* will be very happy. :) -Bruno -- Bruno G. Albuquerque [bga--din--uem--br] BeDevId #15362 Grupo Brasileiro de Usuários de BeOS - Presidente http://www.bug-br.org.br Have you noticed that all you need to grow healthy, vigorous grass is a crack in your sidewalk?

 [12/17] from: robert:muench:robertmuench at: 28-Mar-2001 11:39


> -----Original Message----- > From: [rebol-bounce--rebol--com] [mailto:[rebol-bounce--rebol--com]]On Behalf Of
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> include components concept and accepts standards like activex or java > applet. So does Rebol intend to do something soon about that ?
I hope they won't, neither ActiveX (use your web-browser to access them by feeding it a web-page generated from a Rebol script) nor java applets are as nice and cool as Rebol. Applets are not used very often on the client and who needs java on the server? Anyway, I don't want to start a this-is-better-than-that discussion but please don't mix in bad concepts into a good solution. If you would like to use java, go and use it... Robert

 [13/17] from: pa:russo:perd at: 28-Mar-2001 12:22


>> I don't think a language can compete in business enterprise if it doesn't >> include components concept and accepts standards like activex or java
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>"this-is-better-than-that" discussion but please don't mix in bad concepts >into a good solution. If you would like to use java, go and use it... Robert
I agree with Robert. For example, I'm assessing REBOL's capabilities in a business enterprise context exactly because I need something completely different from the ActiveX/Java development paradigm. If I need to use ActiveX or Java, experience tells me it's better to stick with their dedicated development environments and tools, for better or (more often) worse. Just so, you will find more bugs and tuning problems than you'd like. :-( Just my two cents (of Euro, of course :-) -- Paolo Russo [pa--russo--perd--com] _________________ PERD s.r.l. Virtual Technologies for Real Solutions http://www.perd.com

 [14/17] from: g:santilli:tiscalinet:it at: 28-Mar-2001 14:39


laplace wrote:
> I don't think a language can compete in business enterprise if it doesn't > include components concept and accepts standards like activex or java > applet. So does Rebol intend to do something soon about that ?
I strongly disagree. ActiveX is something you should beetter steer away from (IMHO), and REBOL is much better than Java anyway. Considering the availability of REBOL /Pro versions, I think we won't need all those ugly old languages anymore... :-) Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[giesse--writeme--com]> - Amigan - REBOL programmer Amiga Group Italia sez. L'Aquila -- http://www.amyresource.it/AGI/

 [15/17] from: laplace:worldnet at: 30-Mar-2001 14:06


I didn't mean java is better than Rebol, if so I wouldn't go on with Rebol :) I mean about Component concept, reusability with interface beetween components and that works inside a browser (like flash for example). If you want to offer an interactive chart for example , how would you do if you don't have component ?

 [16/17] from: robert:muench:robertmuench at: 3-Apr-2001 8:54


> -----Original Message----- > From: [rebol-bounce--rebol--com] [mailto:[rebol-bounce--rebol--com]]On Behalf Of
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> components and that works inside a browser (like flash for > example). If you want to offer an interactive chart for example , how
would
> you do if you don't have component ?
Hi, well there are two issues here: 1. Rebol/XYZ Browser plug-in-able I think this is a must-have to make Rebol the killer language. Think about being able to use the fat browsers as home for Rebol (SSL etc. can be used than) and have the user see a real nice interface inside the browser... no complaints like: Well, it looks nice but it's not standard, I want to use my browser... 2. Component concepts / protocolls Stuff like COM XYZ, JavaBeans, CORBA etc. are all component protocolls... and it's always a all-or-nothing concept. Mixing all these is very hard (if not impossible). So why use them? Just use the simple and straightforward concept like SOAP or Rebol, or whatevery ASCII readable format you wish. These can be translated quite easy. Robert

 [17/17] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 3-Apr-2001 9:12


Robert M. Muench wrote:
> > -----Original Message----- > > From: [rebol-bounce--rebol--com] [mailto:[rebol-bounce--rebol--com]]On Behalf Of
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> complaints like: Well, it looks nice but it's not standard, I want to use my > browser...
yes, I talked about it with jeff in Express conference. Current plug-in just knows only how to start Rebol and few other minor things. I told openly RT that it will not be used at all - we need the ability to live inside of browser window, or ppl will regard us being proprietary technology .... But I can imagine that implementing something like this is not probably ease ... But as you stated - it would definitely BE killer app.
> 2. Component concepts / protocolls > Stuff like COM XYZ, JavaBeans, CORBA etc. are all component protocolls... > and it's always a all-or-nothing concept. Mixing all these is very hard (if > not impossible). So why use them? Just use the simple and straightforward > concept like SOAP or Rebol, or whatevery ASCII readable format you wish. > These can be translated quite easy. Robert
Absolutly agree here. Although I know why ppl want it - because of inner-OS IPC (like Arexx on Amiga) -pekr-

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