simple editor for rebol

Thanks.... I seem to recall it used external syntax files. I will check it out. regards. -- Tim Johnson <[info--johnsons-web--com]> "My shroe, my shroe, my dingkom for a shroe!" --TheManWhoSpeaksInAnagrams (Monty Python)

Just out of intrest, it would be interesting to know what is the editor the guru behind AmigaOS and REBOL uses... Tell us, please! I have a hunch it is either very primitive (like ex or cat) or an editor that has _everything_ in it (like emacs). The middle ground seems unlikely. -- Jussi Hagman CS in Åbo Akademi University Studentbyn 4 D 33 [juhagman--abo--fi] 20540 Åbo [jhagman--infa--abo--fi] Finland

At the risk of sounding elitist, I have to disagree with the conclusion of your last sentence and recommend vim, for the following reasons: 1) vim-related: * Works on *many* platforms the students are likely to have access to (both at school and at home. * Founded on vi, the most ubiquitous editor in the Unix/Linux world. (Note: I didn't say "best" -- I'm not trying to start a flame war -- I simply meant that you can find vi on essentially any *n*x box, regardless of age or size.) Therefore the result of learning vim is a highly portable/reusable skill. * Syntax coloring works. * The basic text-manipulation commands in vi(m) have a direct analog to the basic series manipulation operations in REBOL: changing part of a series, removing part of a series, inserting somewhere in a series, moving the "current position" within a series, etc. Therefore you're able to introduce the concepts once and re-use them for both programming and editing. 2) student-related: (the part most likely to provoke some flames, I fear) * Using any text editor (emphasis on "any") requires that you understand files, inserting and deleting text, versions of files, backup habits, etc. Any student who can't understand these concepts has no business programming. In any language. * It's fairly easy to define "core vi(m)" commands (:e :r :w :q i a I A o O c d and, of course, h j k l 0 $) that are enough to do some 75% of all simple editing tasks. This is one class period's worth of work, plus some practice to push the knowledge "out to the fingertips". Any student who can't understand these concepts has no business programming. In any language. I should add that my perspective is based (in part) on my own experiences in teaching (12 years' of Math and Computing Science in higher education) and my sadness (and even frustration, at times) over the disservice done to entering students by high-school teachers who short-changed the kids by assuming that they couldn't learn -- and therefore didn't teach the kids things they should have known. Have faith. Trust the kids. Be enthusiastic. Don't be afraid to give them a challenge. Respect their minds and get ready for a surprise. (And, sadly, deal with the fact that everyone deserves an equal opportunity, but not all will make the most of it.) -jn-

-But not all of them, I do anticipate that some will investigate vim, since (even though I don't make it a requirement) I speak very frankly about my use of it.

Your points are well taken, however it is my concern, and the concern of those that I contracted to design this class - that making a stipulation of one editor over another would create backlashes from the community. I know the parents of some of the students, indeed all 6 of my kids and step kids came out of this environment. I just want to give them some options - and a generic Windows - style Editor "should" be an option in my opinion. Our decision was based on not leveraging one product by teaching another. It had nothing to do with trust or not trusting the kids. I also know that some of the kids "love" xemacs, so it isn't just the parents. :>) thanks Joe Tim (Writing on Vim)

-- Tim Johnson <[info--johnsons-web--com]> "My shroe, my shroe, my dingkom for a shroe!" --TheManWhoSpeaksInAnagrams (Monty Python)

Yes, but the rebol.vim seems to be somewhat dated. I added some words in mine, but I lost the changes as I updated my vim (the changed file might still be somewhere on the hard disk...) I'll try to find it as I just have the time. -- Jussi Hagman CS in Åbo Akademi University Studentbyn 4 D 33 [juhagman--abo--fi] 20540 Åbo [jhagman--infa--abo--fi] Finland

I would consider it quite a favor if you would send it to me. I see that the site is still off line. Thanks!!

It is probably accurate to say that this is "not" a class on rebol, but a class on introduction to programming using rebol. The distinctions are: 1)At the time of writing, I was myself learning rebol. I'm nowhere as knowledgeable as many on this list, although I've done some commercial work in rebol. The focus was on the more fundamental concepts that apply to all/most languages. 2)The class was just the first of a series of 4: Following are Python, perl, and C/C++. I felt that rebol would be the ideal first programming language. Personally, I would hope that rebol would be my "last" programming language, as it has become my vehicle of choice for development, but the idea was to turn out students with exposure to more than one language. I hope to eventually set up a more advanced class in rebol, but that is not yet agreed upon. -- Tim Johnson <[info--johnsons-web--com]> "My shroe, my shroe, my dingkom for a shroe!" --TheManWhoSpeaksInAnagrams (Monty Python)

Hi, Tim, I probably wouldn't call it totally simple, but you may wish to at least check out SynEdit. It functions more closely to the MS-Windows model of computing, it is freeware, and it seems to correctly highlight REBOL/Core syntax. I can't offer an endrosement for it since I merely ran across it while looking for freebie editors. But it may fit the bill for your students. Primary link: http://www.technobreeze.com/synopsis/synedit/ Download link (avoids the annoying pop-up links at the actual download site link): ftp://rand.deepwell.com/synedit.zip Good luck with the course. As you've already figured out, you'll be teaching a truly useful programming tool. --Scott Jones

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Yes, I agree, Textpad works well whith Rebol ;-)) Take the script below and save it into your ../textpad/samples folder under rebol.syn filename In TextPad, choose Config/New Class Name : Rebol Members : *.r and follow the instructions To choose the highlighting colors Config/Prefs/Classes/Rebol/Color Tip : in Config/Prefs/Tools , add Rebol and you can run the script you are editing whith a stroke of keys (I use Alt+R) --> Config/Prefs/Keyboard/Tools/Rebol ...and choose what you like. Hope it helps.Have fun. Ronald Gruss "Newbie" 8<--- ; TextPad syntax definitions for Rebol (http://www.rebol.com) ; JKenyon generated 30-Apr-2001 C=1 [Syntax] Namespace1 = 6 IgnoreCase = Yes InitKeyWordChars = A-Za-z_$ KeyWordChars = A-Za-z0-9_$ BracketChars = []() OperatorChars PreprocStart SyntaxStart SyntaxEnd CommentStartAlt SingleComment = ; SingleCommentEsc StringStart = { StringEnd = } StringsSpanLines = Yes StringAlt = " StringEsc = \ CharStart CharEnd CharEsc = \ [Keywords 1] * ** + - / // < <<> == =?

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