[1/8] from: carl::cybercraft::co::nz at: 25-Jul-2008 11:56
A nice place for REBOL to run... http://188.8.131.52/products/ -- Carl Read
[2/8] from: edoconnor::gmail::com at: 25-Jul-2008 8:27
Interesting domain name. Very retro! On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Carl Read wrote:
[3/8] from: david::may10::ntlworld::com at: 26-Jul-2008 19:43
Hello Ed, Friday, July 25, 2008, 1:27:39 PM, you wrote:
> Interesting domain name. Very retro! > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Carl Read wrote:
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it already does. http://bbrv.blogspot.com/2006/12/opportunity-meets-preparation.html 2 years already on the Efika, you just need to just a way to got it on the CherryPC image. and thats were Rebol Inc REALLY falls down a lot,as its deemed to simple a thing and yet takes some time to let ordinary users know it exists, thats left to user advocacy and that doesn't seem to have worked so far. no ready made rebol view GUI for my VLC/Mplayer etc , no use to me then type thinking. ill just search for a ready made GUI that uses python,GTK,or any No of other existing scripts found on goggle, that dont do it as good or as smal or as self contained as rebol view, but they dont care as long as it does most of what they want out the box..... ;( there have been many opportunity's to get rebol on several key distro's in the past, RTP(QNX6)to name but one, not to mention al the Nix etc all for the sake of a few GUI tcp:ip/UDP front ends etc being produced for the likes of VLC cross-platform video streamer/player and all the others, and providing these self contained scripts and binary's as whole packages to include were ever.... alas its not been deemed important enough to make these simple fully working GUI's and let people know they exist for inclusion for free use..... the same will also happen with this mass PR offensive the CherryPC (Efika clone by any other name) PowerPC based SOC, as no rebol coder wants to make the time to create, test and inform the general public that these new free GUI products (rebol scripts +view in an easy to click and one time install exe)exist.... its going no were in the end users eyes if they even know or care it exists, i will say again, nice simple plug-in GUI video steaming scripts to all the popular CLI capable apps will do far more for R3 etc than any boffin coder talk, and no real working scripts to show them, and let them use their apps, then perhaps base their new efforts on these core scripts and share widely.... take a look at the VLC http remote control for something that NEEDS a Rebol view and core drop in client/server making for it and replace the dreadful mess thats there now....that will do more for core and view in many peoples eyes.... -- Best regards, david mailto:david.may10-ntlworld.com
[4/8] from: edoconnor:gma:il at: 26-Jul-2008 16:45
On a related note, I saw this article on CodingHorror.com the other day: Building Tiny, Ultra-Low-Power PCs http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001156.html R3 is a decade's worth worth of work being handled by a few people on a limited basis. RT works on the core technology, and the rest will be up to us. I think many would agree that Efika and other platforms would be great opportunities for REBOL. I think it's a good idea to carefully describe some of the key use-cases or scenarios which which would be highly desirable for R3 to support. Other than that, it's up to us to build the future. One other thought, of course, would be to raise some funds or collect donations to pay RT to build in certain functionality. If anyone knows if RT is open to that avenue, it might be an avenue for us to have RT open up REBOL to a whole new community of users. Ed On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:43 PM, david may wrote:
[5/8] from: carl::cybercraft::co::nz at: 27-Jul-2008 10:53
On Saturday, 26-July-2008 at 19:43:52 david may wrote,
>>> A nice place for REBOL to run... >>>
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>>2 years already on the Efika, you just need to just a way to got it on >the CherryPC image.
The difference between Efika and CherryPal... http://news.google.com/news?q=Efika http://news.google.com/news?q=CherryPal 8 hits vs 260+... I know someone with an Efika. I asked him if it ran REBOL, but he didn't know.
> and thats were Rebol Inc REALLY falls down a lot,as its deemed to > simple a thing and yet takes some time to let ordinary users know it > exists, thats left to user advocacy and that doesn't seem to have worked > so far.
Indeed. If I want to find out what the CherryPal supports, I look on the CherryPal site. (Where I notice they tell you it supports Flash.)
>the same will also happen with this mass PR offensive the CherryPC >(Efika clone by any other name) PowerPC based SOC, as no rebol coder wants to >make the time to create, test and inform the general public that these >new free GUI products (rebol scripts +view in an easy to click and >one time install exe)exist....
It's REBOL Inc's job to get it on the platforms, not the users'. The users' job is to write scripts. And 'platforms' now days means web-browsers. They seem to have missed the boat with getting web-hosts to adopt REBOL... -- Carl Read.
[6/8] from: Petr::Krenzelok::seznam::cz at: 27-Jul-2008 9:05
> The difference between Efika and CherryPal... > > http://news.google.com/news?q=Efika > > http://news.google.com/news?q=CherryPal > > 8 hits vs 260+...
... guys, stop use false arguments, which just fit your opinion. Who cares about news? The only truth here is, that EFIKA is much more known, it was reviewed, it runs plenty of OSes, it has its community of users, it is known by power.org, it is recognised by Freescale, etc. etc. If you run GENERAL google query, you will see quite different measures. So how accurate is your above NEWS coverage? Do you know anyone with CherryPal actually? I bet you don't. Simply put - sometimes you need a little bit of a luck. And as for CherryPal, their luck is hype over internet. Once someone writes some article, others start to quote it ...
> I know someone with an Efika. I asked him if it ran REBOL, but he didn't know.
It might run some arcane ppc version of REBOL, but I doubt it. I was asked by bbrv to actually coordinaty REBOL porting effort for various Efika OSes, but you know how it goes - in order to get R2 running there, RT would have to do the work themselves. With R3, it will be quite different story ...
> >the same will also happen with this mass PR offensive the CherryPC > >(Efika clone by any other name) PowerPC based SOC, as no rebol coder wants to
<<quoted lines omitted: 4>>> is to write scripts. And 'platforms' now days means web-browsers. They seem to > have missed the boat with getting web-hosts to adopt REBOL...
No, it is not REBOL Inc's job. The strategy is clear and it was blogged, so I wonder guys, if you care to read blogs carefully? :-) R3 is completly different architecture, and we wait for some things to be finished first, and once in certain state, ALL host + View source codes are going to be uploaded into DevBase. The only thing which is going to be kept private is REBOL danamic library, which is cross-platform (so the only thing RT needs to do in order to support another platforms is to recompile it). So - the porting effort can be done by the community, and that it really a different story to R2 .... As for webhosts - I can see no problem with CGI. And host I communicated with were even willing to "install" REBOL for me. If they are not - find different host. But - who wants to use REBOL as a php replacement anyway? I think it is not its target role, although I use it that way too ... Cheers, -pekr-
[7/8] from: edoconnor::gmail::com at: 28-Jul-2008 12:04
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Petr Kren=9Eelok wrote:
> But - who wants to use REBOL as a php replacement anyway? I think it is not its target role, although I use it that way too ...
That's the way you use it, I've used it, and numerous others. I think it's sensible to remain open to a deployment channel that enjoys developer attention. Although not everyone wants to swap out php for REBOL, I think interest could rise if REBOL were more optimized to the task. If you consider scripting popularity -- python, ruby, perl and php-- all rose to prominence with strong support for web-app frameworks. Even Java owes its standing to the server environment. On the server host, there is still some diversity in platforms and languages. The desktop environment is foreboding for a small, proprietary vendor. This environment translates to direct competition with Adobe (AIR/Flex), Microsoft (WPF, Silverlight), Netscape (Prism), and a handful of other not-insignificant players (Curl Nitro, Open Laszlo, etc.). Ed
[8/8] from: cherrypal:sbcglobal at: 22-Oct-2008 9:16
Thank you for talking about the CherryPal. I'm linking to this page from my blog at http://cherrypal.blogspot.com CherryPal=E2=84=A2 replaced the C100 with the 8GB SSD C114 - still the same price!!! The CherryPal=E2=84=A2 C114 desktop is about the size of a paperback book, but has the performance you would expect from a full-size desktop computer. Freescale's fast triple-core mobileGT processor delivers exceptional multimedia performance and feature-rich user interfaces, while only consuming as much power as a clock radio. CherryPal uses 80 percent fewer components than a traditional PC, and because it has no moving parts, it operates without making a sound and will last 10 years or more. "The first CherryPals will get shipped on US election day, November 4th, guaranteed. We were able to upgrade the C100 to the C114 for the same low price. We increased the local Solid State Disk Drive from 4GB to 8GB and slightly changed the casing, lighter and slimmer, very cool. I am sure you will like it." Please visit CherryPal 4Every1 (CPFE) http://cherrypal.blogspot.com the number one CherryPal fan site with info on CP discounts, gigs, sitings, buyings and cloud computing and green computing raves...Use CODE CPP206 for $10 off a CherryPal C114 desktop at http://cherrypal.com/SHOP.html Subscribe at http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?previewfeed=424285 Carl Read wrote:
> > A nice place for REBOL to run... > > http://184.108.40.206/products/ > > -- Carl Read >
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