French Rebolution 2002

Greetings I just got some encouraging REBOL news from Olivier Auverlot, author of the French REBOL Programming book, host of http://rebolfrance.org/, Rebol/Magic! developer and more. I asked him about the growth of REBOL in France. The catalyst was the arrival on newsstands in France of the much loved and respected LOGIN magazine: Issue #14 - a special edition dedicated to REBOL. Following is my translation of Olivier's email. I hope it got it right. Francophones please correct me if you can. I hope to get a copy of the magazine and very curious to learn more about REBOL uptake in French universities and research labs. ./Jason =========================================================================== The magazine has attracted pretty growth for the newsletter (at least a 100 new subscribers). Messages posted on LOGIN's forum (www.loginmag.com) have been read by approx. 800 people, (compared to 600 for the special edition dedicated to security). On other French language forums, I have met with some aggressive" behavior regarding Rebol :-( Too bad ! That shows the subject of REBOL rankles, and is becoming better and better known. Not withstanding, I have learnt that sales of my book have picked up (69 copies in 10 days). French [REBOL] projects are many, and often of very high quality (Jabber client, managing medical datafiles, MySQL and PostGreSQL drivers, Magic!, SNMP protocol, etc.). In France, the situation is cool for Rebol !!! Do you know that Rebol is taught and used in several universities and research labs (there's an article in LOGIN's Rebol Special Edition about that). {-- I asked him to clarify what sort of aggressive behavior he had seen towards Rebol--} PHP or Java programmers try to show their language is better (with more or less bad faith). Most of the time they don't even know the subject [Rebol]. On a French Linux Forum, a post about Rebol was even refused because it considered to be "spam and nothing to do with Linux" (!?!). All this is very positive. The important thing is people are discussing Rebol. I am going to do my best, and as quickly as possible, for LOGIN -Olivier

I am french ... I discovered REBOL with Login Mag and I think it is not a toy ... It is great. Actually I try to make PGM converter, I have a beta version and compared with the same application in Java or C++, Rebol is faster to develop with ... Arno:)

Hi Jason, Nice translation (nothing to say). By the way, I am not as enthousiastic as Olivier regarding the French Rebolution. I think Rebol is almost unknown in France, and the few who do know it, sees it merely as a cute toy. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Cunliffe" <[jason--cunliffe--verizon--net]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: [REBOL] French Rebolution 2002 Greetings I just got some encouraging REBOL news from Olivier Auverlot, author of the French REBOL Programming book, host of http://rebolfrance.org/, Rebol/Magic! developer and more. I asked him about the growth of REBOL in France. The catalyst was the arrival on newsstands in France of the much loved and respected LOGIN magazine: Issue #14 - a special edition dedicated to REBOL. Following is my translation of Olivier's email. I hope it got it right. Francophones please correct me if you can. I hope to get a copy of the magazine and very curious to learn more about REBOL uptake in French universities and research labs. ./Jason =========================================================================== The magazine has attracted pretty growth for the newsletter (at least a 100 new subscribers). Messages posted on LOGIN's forum (www.loginmag.com) have been read by approx. 800 people, (compared to 600 for the special edition dedicated to security). On other French language forums, I have met with some aggressive" behavior regarding Rebol :-( Too bad ! That shows the subject of REBOL rankles, and is becoming better and better known. Not withstanding, I have learnt that sales of my book have picked up (69 copies in 10 days). French [REBOL] projects are many, and often of very high quality (Jabber client, managing medical datafiles, MySQL and PostGreSQL drivers, Magic!, SNMP protocol, etc.). In France, the situation is cool for Rebol !!! Do you know that Rebol is taught and used in several universities and research labs (there's an article in LOGIN's Rebol Special Edition about that). {-- I asked him to clarify what sort of aggressive behavior he had seen towards Rebol--} PHP or Java programmers try to show their language is better (with more or less bad faith). Most of the time they don't even know the subject [Rebol]. On a French Linux Forum, a post about Rebol was even refused because it considered to be "spam and nothing to do with Linux" (!?!). All this is very positive. The important thing is people are discussing Rebol. I am going to do my best, and as quickly as possible, for LOGIN -Olivier

Arnaud, So am I.. If Rebol is a toy, it is a great toy. Terrific; I can work by playing with Rebol ;-)). Seriously, I hope to do something great with Rebol. I was a Java fan, then C#. I think the learning curve with Rebol is the best.. Rebol is young but has a great potential. Graphic components ( Treeview, Tabs, etc..) should be added to make application sexy. Rebol should also provide the way to interface with legacy application easily. I know that Rebol is good with XML may be it can go futher:( by providing database access other than MySql and Oracle, Message Queing, Worklow, etc. Cheers, Brice --- Arnaud Dutartre <[arnaud--dutartre--europe--tgs--com]> a écrit : > I am french ... I discovered REBOL with Login Mag and I think it is not a

hi Jason and everybody, I discovered REBOL by discussing along with some of my friends at work. We wanted to develop a transfert program (retreive information from FTP - CSV text files, then transform them into mysql data - sql queries and send mail for control) REBOL just became evident cause it's just the all-in-one solution, regardless the OS. We could do it all through a custom application that monitors everything, 40 Kbytes... BUT... I think REBOL is too young yet to become really popular. The applications are too rare, while the library shows just a small percentage of the language potential. It's so sad to see the french forum on rebolfrance.net deperately empty, that's obvious : we're not enough yet. I agree Olivier, the only way to improve its use is to talk about, more and more, to show the possibilities. Small programs coded in 10 lines and 5 minutes can do more than a 20-class-file-3-coding-day java program. The "propaganda" page on rebolfrance (http://www.rebolfrance.net/propagande/argumentaire.html) is a good way to start arguing. WELL... I am really sad to read that PHP programmers don't behave well with REBOL. Maybe they didn't see that REBOL and PHP are not concurrent, they just have different goals. Indeed, they might be useful to each other. Let's take my XMLRPC problem (still can't find a server-side REBOL example...). I just set-up a XMLRPC engin written in PHP on an apache localhost, ran it and made a simple query. IT WORKED !!! So. My PHP package on http://www.mywebsite.com/RPC2 is written in PHP and my client in REBOL. SO WHAT ? everybody talks the same language : xml. Like a web-oriented esperanto... So, I think I'll keep PHPing for web server-side apps and REBOLING for the user interface. Join the French REBOLUTION ! Bruno BORD, A French REBOL-addict ;-) -----Message d'origine----- De : [rebol-bounce--rebol--com] [mailto:[rebol-bounce--rebol--com]]De la part de pat665 Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2002 16:30 À : [rebol-list--rebol--com] Objet : [REBOL] Re: French Rebolution 2002 Hi Jason, Nice translation (nothing to say). By the way, I am not as enthousiastic as Olivier regarding the French Rebolution. I think Rebol is almost unknown in France, and the few who do know it, sees it merely as a cute toy. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Cunliffe" <[jason--cunliffe--verizon--net]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: [REBOL] French Rebolution 2002 Greetings I just got some encouraging REBOL news from Olivier Auverlot, author of the French REBOL Programming book, host of http://rebolfrance.org/, Rebol/Magic! developer and more. I asked him about the growth of REBOL in France. The catalyst was the arrival on newsstands in France of the much loved and respected LOGIN magazine: Issue #14 - a special edition dedicated to REBOL. Following is my translation of Olivier's email. I hope it got it right. Francophones please correct me if you can. I hope to get a copy of the magazine and very curious to learn more about REBOL uptake in French universities and research labs. ./Jason =========================================================================== The magazine has attracted pretty growth for the newsletter (at least a 100 new subscribers). Messages posted on LOGIN's forum (www.loginmag.com) have been read by approx. 800 people, (compared to 600 for the special edition dedicated to security). On other French language forums, I have met with some aggressive" behavior regarding Rebol :-( Too bad ! That shows the subject of REBOL rankles, and is becoming better and better known. Not withstanding, I have learnt that sales of my book have picked up (69 copies in 10 days). French [REBOL] projects are many, and often of very high quality (Jabber client, managing medical datafiles, MySQL and PostGreSQL drivers, Magic!, SNMP protocol, etc.). In France, the situation is cool for Rebol !!! Do you know that Rebol is taught and used in several universities and research labs (there's an article in LOGIN's Rebol Special Edition about that). {-- I asked him to clarify what sort of aggressive behavior he had seen towards Rebol--} PHP or Java programmers try to show their language is better (with more or less bad faith). Most of the time they don't even know the subject [Rebol]. On a French Linux Forum, a post about Rebol was even refused because it considered to be "spam and nothing to do with Linux" (!?!). All this is very positive. The important thing is people are discussing Rebol. I am going to do my best, and as quickly as possible, for LOGIN -Olivier

> Le magazine a attiré pas mal de nouveau sur la lettre d'information (une > bonne cinquantaine de nouveaux abonnés). Sur le forum de login > (www.loginmag.com), les messages postés ont été lus par environ 800 > personnes (contre 600 pour le HS précédent consacré à la sécurité). Sur > différents forum francophones, on m'a rapporté des comportements

> vis à vis de Rebol :-( Tant mieux ! Cela démontre que le sujet dérange et > devient de plus en plus connu. Sinon, j'ai appris que les ventes de mon > bouquin avait redécollées (69 exemplaires en 10 jours). > > Les projets francophones sont nombreux et très souvent de très bonne

> (client Jabber, gestion de dossiers médicaux, protocoles MySQL et > PostgresSQL, Magic!, protocole SNMP, etc.). En France, la situation est > leur langage est meilleur (avec plus ou moins de mauvaise foi). La plupart > du temps, ils ne connaissent même pas le sujet. Sur un forum Linux

> un message sur Rebol a été refusé car considéré comme étant un "spam sans > rapport avec Linux" (!?!). > > Tout cela est très positif. L'important, c'est qu'on parle de Rebol. > > Je vais faire de mon mieux et le plus vite possible pour le Login. > > - Olivier

Hi Frenchies, and others Ne tirez plus, je me rend ! Nous nous sommes d'ailleurs mal compris ... I too do not think Rebol is a toy, but it is seen like this by many french person I know. Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brice Muangkhot" <[bmuangkhot--yahoo--fr]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: French Rebolution 2002 Arnaud, So am I.. If Rebol is a toy, it is a great toy. Terrific; I can work by playing with Rebol ;-)). Seriously, I hope to do something great with Rebol. I was a Java fan, then C#. I think the learning curve with Rebol is the best.. Rebol is young but has a great potential. Graphic components ( Treeview, Tabs, etc..) should be added to make application sexy. Rebol should also provide the way to interface with legacy application easily. I know that Rebol is good with XML may be it can go futher:( by providing database access other than MySql and Oracle, Message Queing, Worklow, etc. Cheers, Brice --- Arnaud Dutartre <[arnaud--dutartre--europe--tgs--com]> a écrit : > I am french ... I discovered REBOL with Login Mag and I think it is not a

At 05:56 PM 9/19/2002 +0200, you wrote:

>hi Jason and everybody, >I discovered REBOL by discussing along with some of my friends at work. We >(http://www.rebolfrance.net/propagande/argumentaire.html) is a good way to >start arguing.

> >The "propaganda" page on rebolfrance > >(http://www.rebolfrance.net/propagande/argumentaire.html) is a good way to > >start arguing. > > Is there an english version of the "propaganda page"? I would appreciate if > there is one.