Rebol and vim: (was lost the case ...)

Hi Volker: Small World! That's an article that my partner and I published, written by Sterling Newton. :-).

Sorry, I don't believe I made myself clear there. What Sterling writes about in that article is using 'plugins' *for* rebol. I'm talking about using rebol *as* a plugin. I have extensive plugins *for* rebol in vim, as do many others on this list. Those plugins are written in either native vim script or imbedded python..... read on: Your emacs code below is elisp script, and the elisp interpreter is imbedded 'inside' of emacs. Vim has the 'hooks' to actually compile the following interpreters: ruby, python, perl,tcl (at least) into the vim executable - just as elisp is in emacs. Therefore one can write an editor plugin in any language that has it's binary "inside of" vim, just as you have writen the elisp code below, which is processed by the elisp interpreter, which is imbedded in emacs. This is comparable to the apache 'language modes', which essentially do the same thing for the perl, python, php etc. One of the neat things about Vim (and it's developers), is that it is a very inclusive design that is conceived to closely interact with other systems and applications. (One of the gnu-est of the gnu applications) Wouldn't it be cool if the 'emacs' (actually elisp) code could be written in rebol? I'd love it. For instance, yhere are extensive plugins 'for python' written 'in python' that turn vim into a full-fledge python IDE. BTW: Volker, I'm really interested in learning to program rebol in emacs, perhaps someday I could prevail upon you to share some of your elisp plugins with me. I orginally wanted to learn emacs, but I frequently would ask questions of comp.emacs and often those questions would go unanswered - unlike this ML and the vim ML - which is why I went with vim. For instance, emacs can't distinguish my imbedded keypad, where vim and Xemacs can...... and no one can tell me why or how to fix it. :-( And rebol and lisp are quite similar. Good thread! tim

-- Tim Johnson <[tim--johnsons-web--com]> http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com

Thanks for publishing :)

I think you made yourself clear :) Sterling describes in http://www.frozen-north-linuxonline.com/Howto/REBOL+RMAIL.html how he uses emacs + rebol to filter his email. thats not a tool to write rebol-scripts. Its more like one would process python-scripts with rebol. The differecence to vim+python: rebol works more like a cgi-script. my typical use is: emacs stores file, calls rebol with filename to process and reads file back. the rebol-script can do anything, even process python-source. The interaction with emacs may not be as good as in elisp, but for preprocessing, indexing and such quite ok.

elisp is only the glue, keymapping, save file, call rebol, load file. rebol could even general the glue *.el -files.

i guess cloesely interact would be more tricky. in emas there is a way to send it elisp AFAIK, so rebol could control emacs remotely. but thats to high level for my emacs-knowledge till now.

What means IDE? if its lots of buttons producing code, i prefer to do that in rebol. fire it up from emacs, click the buttons, shut it down and emacs pops up. have to learn more emacs to make it really comfortable, currently it tells me all the time the file has changed and i shall enter "yes" for reload, but basically it works. usually i don't switch to often, i complete either a "lots of editing" job or "change and run" or a gui-thing. so the occasional "yes" is not such a big problem.

I use emacs because of the elisp-rebol-similarity too. thanks again for sterlings elisp-intro :) to me emas .rebol has its strong points on entering snippets with /vid and writing forms for that and sending it through the web. and copying files for more "real work" applications. emacs does this based on a strong editor, doing everything with text. both can access the web well, search and link. Related to a current discussion, emacs has all the bells and whistles rebol lacks. people complain its to complex. which i agree. i code in rebol. when i lack bells or whistles there i switch to the emacs-maual. Study a bit and find a way to do it nonwhistling in rebol and call it, usually ;)

Don't know that too. have you asked on the newsgroup mentioning "vim can!"? eventually that helps? :)

I agree :)

-Volker