Dialecting......

[1/9] from: idsrini::gmail::com at: 7-Feb-2009 8:42

Hi Gregg, I've downloaded Rebol R3 Alpha 33, and for the life of me I can't seem to be able to do the following 1. *Login* to the AltME world. 2. The main GUI source code is in the *source/* directory. 3. R3 is *view.exe* in that same source/ dir. 4. Drag *main.r* onto view.exe to test it. I've logged into AltME, but where do I get the list of directories, etc. so that I can download some .r files.... Thanks, Srini On 29/05/2008, Srini Iyengar <idsrini-gmail.com> wrote:

[2/9] from: gregg::pointillistic::com at: 7-Feb-2009 0:51

Hi Srini, SI> I've downloaded Rebol R3 Alpha 33, and for the life of me I can't seem to be SI> able to do the following SI> 1. *Login* to the AltME world. I'll contact you privately to get that sorted out. Once you're in, you'll see an R3 group. Brian Hawley may also see your message here on the ML and respond. -- Gregg

[3/9] from: idsrini::gmail::com at: 7-Feb-2009 15:25

Hi Gregg, Thanks, Also I noticed that in R3 GUI there seemed to be not tree controls or is it going to be incorporated.......Surely, one needs a tree control as part of the GUI........ Regards, Srini On 07/02/2009, Gregg Irwin <gregg-pointillistic.com> wrote:

[4/9] from: gregg::pointillistic::com at: 7-Feb-2009 4:19

Hi Srini, SI> Also I noticed that in R3 GUI there seemed to be not tree controls or is it SI> going to be incorporated.......Surely, one needs a tree control as part of SI> the GUI........ The GUI bits are in their very preliminary stages. I hope we have good tree and table/grid styles, along with things like a focus system and better keyboard support. -- Gregg

[5/9] from: idsrini::gmail::com at: 7-Feb-2009 18:47

Hi Gregg, On a completely different track....... Typically for Business Applications we end up using an RDBMS. I assume that there is going to be support for some RDBMS (SqLite, etc.). Rebol's Block mechanism is very powerful. The issue with RDBMS is that they are not very supportive naturally to Hierarchical Information. Object Databases (db4o specifically) stores data directly in object form, and you need to query the data - sort of like LINQ in DOTNET. Given the power of Rebol, I was wondering whether the guys are thinking of a datastore that would mimic the natural expressiveness of Rebol and provide a database without the issues faced by traditional RDBMSes or OODBMSes. Of course response time, etc would be a factor, but for small to medium size datastores this should not be a problem... Just some thoughts that I wanted to share..... Regards, Srini On 07/02/2009, Gregg Irwin <gregg-pointillistic.com> wrote:

[6/9] from: gregg::pointillistic::com at: 7-Feb-2009 10:59

Hi Srini, SI> Given the power of Rebol, I was wondering whether the guys are SI> thinking of a datastore that would mimic the natural SI> expressiveness of Rebol and provide a database without the SI> issues faced by traditional RDBMSes or OODBMSes. Two other models have been mentioned in the past, though neither is in place AFAIK. The first is RIF (REBOL Indexed Format), which is a lightweight model that is still very block oriented, but doesn't force you to load an block to retrieve a single item. Carl was planning this as a native element. In the meantime, someone has already done an experimental "virtual block" scheme that makes persistent blocks transparent, or very close, in use. The second model that was talked about, I think a the Paris DevCon, though I wasn't there, is an Associative Data Model. I haven't heard anything more on it, and it would be quite ambitious I think. Ultimately, I think REBOL should be used to implement all kinds of DBs, languages, and systems. Not necessarily as production tools, but as teaching tools. SI> Of course response time, etc would be a factor, but for small to SI> medium size datastores this should not be a problem... I'm not one to suggest that we waste resources frivolously, but I'm all for using and leveraging the power we have now, and designing for what is actually needed, rather than some theoretical target. Plain old REBOL can handle very reasonable amounts of data. -- Gregg

[7/9] from: idsrini::gmail::com at: 8-Feb-2009 0:02

Hi Gregg,

>Ultimately, I think REBOL should be used to implement all kinds of >DBs, languages, and systems. Not necessarily as production tools, but >as teaching tools.

I agree completely - The languages that we have around today make it very painful to develop teaching aids. Rebol, with its expressiveness, helps mitigate it to quite an extent.... However, the issue would be with acceptance, if REBOL is used only for teaching tools. Income has to be generated from sales and if REBOL is successful in penerating some part of the production users market, then sustainability of the product is assurred, leading to wider acceptance. Gregg, When do you realistically expect R3 to be stabilised ?, that is, if you have some inkling. Is it worth getting into R2.76 for developing software, now? I would appreciate some feedback on this. Regards, Srini On 07/02/2009, Gregg Irwin <gregg-pointillistic.com> wrote:

[8/9] from: tim-johnsons::web::com at: 7-Feb-2009 10:13

On Saturday 07 February 2009, Srini Iyengar wrote:

> Hi Gregg, > > >Ultimately, I think REBOL should be used to implement all kinds of > >DBs, languages, and systems. Not necessarily as production tools, but > >as teaching tools.

FYI: In 2000 - 2001 - I developed an online course - intro to programming - for a now defunc online highschool - using rebol. tj

[9/9] from: ptretter::hotmail::com at: 7-Feb-2009 18:20

I hope to port Tretbase (REBOL DBMS) to R3 whenever R3 gets more stable. Paul Tretter