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Jell Project

 [1/9] from: ale870::gmail::com at: 27-Apr-2006 19:08


Dear all, I wish to lightlight this new project "Jell Project", created by me (!) using Rebol View/PRO. Follows a short description about the project. If you are interested, you can visit my site at: http://ale870.pbwiki.com/. This is a new project. I will try to explain the project target, even if it is a little bit difficult with a few words. Final target is creating a set of tools to create desktop environment platform independent (using Rebol programming language). It will be composed by two different tool categories: final users, and administrator/programmers. Jell will be created using Rebol programming language (http://www.rebol.com) Jell Project is distributed with LGPL license. Here a list of some tools planned: * JellAP (Jell Application Protocol): it will be able to manage (download and start) remote applications in a similar way as Java Web Start (JWS). Main difference is JWS manages only java based applications, and JellAP will manager any kind of programs/files. Actually, this application is almost completed. It will be released as LGPL license. I hope I will be able to release the first version in a couple of weeks (within May 15, 2006). * Jell advanced command line: this innovative tool, created for advanced users/admins/programmers, will let you open windows like any other desktop environment, but using shell-based commands. More info will come later ;-) (Job PLANNED) * Powerful telenet/ftp application: telnet and co. (other remote shell tools) are a little bit limited if you need to make deep administration, management, etc... Jell will include a powerful system you will use to manage remote computers, using standard http protocol and stadard port (bypassing routers, firewalls, etc...). * Desktop environment: every OS has its own desktop system: Jell will try to create a standard desktop environment, platform independent. * more to come... Il sito che sto sviluppando si serve per mantenere una lista di code-snippets in vari linguaggi di programmazione. Thank you! Alessandro

 [2/9] from: fc2collins:peoplepc at: 27-Apr-2006 16:21


Sounds interesting. I wonder if Rebol is the perfect language for it though.... It sounds like you are trying to create a java-os like system. I want to know more though, since it does sound pretty good.

 [3/9] from: ale870::gmail::com at: 27-Apr-2006 23:17


Java OS? ;-) My final dream is quite large: I'm carefully evaluating what I can do (in the reality, not in my dreams). I want to create a practical project, not a "perfect" but impossible project. Help me, even with suggestions, opinions, etc... and I will show you my final target ;-) Rebol? I know more than 15 programming languages (from basic to assembler), and I think Rebol is a very good point between flexibility, speed, features, etc... I like Java (no... I almost love Java), but I think it is not yet mature to live in a client environment. I think to Rebol as client (rich-client, aka web 3.0 !!!) and Java as server-side :-) :-) --Alessandro On 4/27/06, Tim <fc2collins-peoplepc.com> wrote:
> Sounds interesting. I wonder if Rebol is the perfect language for it though.... It sounds like you are trying to create a java-os like system. I want to know more though, since it does sound pretty good.

 [4/9] from: anton:wilddsl:au at: 28-Apr-2006 13:26


Hi Alessandro, here's a small tip: Your code: ; ONLY FOR WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT... ; and for Linux? Please help me! replace/all system/options/args/1 "\" "/" replace/all system/options/args/1 ":" "" jellapFilenameStr: join "/" system/options/args/1 jellapFilename: to-file jellapFilenameStr becomes jellapFilename: to-rebol-file system/options/args/1 Which should work equally well on windows and linux. Note also TO-LOCAL-FILE does the opposite, converting a rebol file into the host filesystem's format. Regards, Anton.

 [5/9] from: petr::krenzelok::trz::cz at: 28-Apr-2006 8:31


Hi, I welcome the effort. We currently have ViewTop (desktop), but it is not live. Java Webstart is "better", as it simply offers you some apps. Some time ago I suggested to simplify ViewTop in a way, that it would act like a "player" for the scripts ... you would choose and organise your favorites , not needing to visit each particular rebsite .... In the past, we also had two efforts, to bring us kind of desktop/platform: Cyphre's SWIS - http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/swis Etienne's Neutrino: http://etienne.alaurent.free.fr/neutrino/images/neutrino-Aqua.jpg And of course then there is cool architecture, called REBOL IOS, from RT itself ..... Petr

 [6/9] from: ale870::gmail::com at: 28-Apr-2006 13:05


Thank you Anton for your help. I will implement it and publish a Linux version ;-) Petr, http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/swis does not work. Images about neutrino seem really interesting! Have you more info about it? (such virtual desktop environment seems very interesting!). About IOS... it is more a groupware-like tool. I was thinking more something about a desktop environment, with a coherent programming library, installation tools, etc... More: this environment should be distributed with two versions (with many common tool): version A: administrator/programmer; version B: for final users. Furthermore, I wish to implement an advanced shell integrated with GUI system (the best of thw worlds!). I'm working to it! I want to laugh when I read "AJAX is Web 2.0". I think the true future is pure rich-client technology (web services-like, access to local pc with certificates, etc...). So I like to think that Rebol is "Web 3.0" ! On 4/28/06, Petr Krenzelok <petr.krenzelok-trz.cz> wrote:

 [7/9] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 28-Apr-2006 15:45


Alessandro Manotti wrote:
>Thank you Anton for your help. I will implement it and publish a Linux >version ;-) > >Petr, http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/swis does not work. >
Try the above, plus: http://www.rebol.cz/~cyphre/swis.r rebol.cz server is at my house :-) .... yesterday we were doing some changes to our network, I need to check from outside network, if we did not accidentally screw-up some dst-nat rules. It is supposed to work, so try in a few hours ...
>I want to laugh when I read "AJAX is Web 2.0". I think the true future >is pure rich-client technology (web services-like, access to local pc >with certificates, etc...). > >So I like to think that Rebol is "Web 3.0" ! >
good to know :-) Good defense against those ppl who can't filter the hype of Ajax, which is nothing more, than async request. Well, otoh, most ppl used to "plain" web, are thankfull for the ajax - they were saying all the time they don't need it, now as they have it, they can't imagine their life without it anymore :-) -pekr-

 [8/9] from: ale870::gmail::com at: 28-Apr-2006 15:58


I made a fast test... it is great! That is the starting point of my idea: I think we could integrate it with more network-oriented features, more flexible shell, a little bit faster GUI, etc... Your work is very promising! I downloaded it, and I want to take a look how to integrate my ideas with your tool! --Alessandro On 4/28/06, Petr Krenzelok <petr.krenzelok-trz.cz> wrote:

 [9/9] from: ale870::gmail::com at: 28-Apr-2006 23:11


JellAP was updated. Now it includes the autoupdate function. Use the file "jellap.jellap" in the server-side, to signal to the client when a JellAP update is needed. I will write some docs within a week. Thank you! :-) On 4/28/06, Alessandro Manotti <ale870-gmail.com> wrote: