[ALLY] Re: ALLIES, WAKE UP!!

[1/10] from: deadzaphod:flyingparty at: 30-Aug-2001 1:51

>Seems like all of you(include me) have died off or disapear from this list

;-). no kidding... I was getting ready to re-subscribe, thinking that I wasn't on the list anymore it has been so long since I saw a message... Here are my(and not only mine) first thoughts to change this situation:

>-we need on-line bugreport db(RT: what about to settle "BUGGIES" rebsite >with simmilar application like bug db in /Express?)

YES! This would be great! RT: Please give us a way to see bug-reports and their curent status!

[2/10] from: reichart:prolific at: 30-Aug-2001 10:28

I have been remiss as well. Things have been SOOOOOOOOO busy! I'm MEANT to be getting back to a group of professional Rebol developers. One of which I plan to hire. And (hopefully) in the next couple of weeks we will be releasing our first 100% Rebol consumer product! But...and this is actually true, MICROSOFT slows us down in SOOOOOOOOOO many ways. I think our company runs at about 35% less efficiency do to MICROSOFT related problems. Reichart [Reichart--Prolific--com] Be useful.

[3/10] from: cyphre:volny:cz at: 30-Aug-2001 10:30

Hi all ALLIES, Seems like all of you(include me) have died off or disapear from this list ;-). Rest of us rather shows their "Guru abilities" to r-newbies (I have nothing against r-newbies and spreading the Rebolution but the recent situation between rebol developers/testers seems really srange to me ;-) ) instead of concentrate on real /View problems and the future way of Rebol/View(and not only /View). I don't want to start any flame wars against anyone here. I was just thinking about the fact that we haven't seen almost any progress from our lovely RT gang for about half year. Where are the "dynamic times" of rebol experimental versions? Where are the great and wothwhile discussions on ALLY or even /Express conference? I believe RT continue developing of their cool products but it seems to me they are loosing contact with us testers and developers... Here are my(and not only mine) first thoughts to change this situation: -we need on-line bugreport db(RT: what about to settle "BUGGIES" rebsite with simmilar application like bug db in /Express?) -we need access to experimental builds like before (RT: or you don't need testing anymore ;-) ) I'm writing this beacuse I want to see you waking up for the next versions of Rebol/View, to hear your opinions, thoughts about new features etc. Such way could have built new, better, closer way of communication with our CREATORS...so don't hesitate, go on! Back to the roots! Cyphre

[4/10] from: g:santilli:tiscalinet:it at: 30-Aug-2001 11:31

Hello Richard! On 30-Ago-01, you wrote: RS> I don't want to start any flame wars against anyone here. I RS> was just thinking about the fact that we haven't seen almost RS> any progress from our lovely RT gang for about half year. This happened before. That was followed by something GREAT. So I think everyone here is just waiting for something great to happend (and dreaming/drooling in the wait). :-) RS> -we need on-line bugreport db(RT: what about to settle RS> "BUGGIES" rebsite with simmilar application like bug db in RS> /Express?) That is a must indeed. /Express' bug tracking tool seems something other users should not be kept away from. :) RS> -we need access to experimental builds like before RS> (RT: or you don't need testing anymore ;-) ) That would be nice for us to play :) but see above. They must be working on something bigger... you know, they never rest. ;-) Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[giesse--writeme--com]> - Amigan - REBOL programmer Amiga Group Italia sez. L'Aquila -- http://www.amyresource.it/AGI/

[5/10] from: tbrownell:y:ahoo at: 31-Aug-2001 0:23

I thought everyone decided to take the summer off? A sign of Rebol prosperity? Terry Brownell Allen Kamp <[allenk--powerup--com--au]> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Smolak" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: [ALLY] ALLIES, WAKE UP!!

> Hi all ALLIES, > > Seems like all of you(include me) have died off or disapear from this list > ;-). > > Rest of us rather shows their "Guru abilities" to r-newbies (I have

nothing

> against r-newbies and spreading the Rebolution but the recent situation > between rebol developers/testers seems really srange to me ;-) ) instead

> concentrate on real /View problems and the future way of Rebol/View(and

not

> only /View). > I don't want to start any flame wars against anyone here. I was just > thinking about the fact that we haven't seen almost any progress from our > lovely RT gang for about half year. Where are the "dynamic times" of rebol > experimental versions? Where are the great and wothwhile discussions on

ALLY

> or even /Express conference? I believe RT continue developing of their

cool

> products but it seems to me they are loosing contact with us testers and > developers...

I'm trying to get some sleep cyphre ;-) For me, doing bug reports or writing/updating apps for Link/Express became pointless when View was updated without bringing Link into line. It lost all the momentum after that as everyone shifted focus to View.

> I'm writing this beacuse I want to see you waking up for the next versions > of Rebol/View, to hear your opinions, thoughts about new features etc.

Such

> way could have built new, better, closer way of communication with our > CREATORS...so don't hesitate, go on! >

Thoughts/Debate ... Should View's sound handling and move to the free version? Since there is a commercial license is there still a need for a View and View/Pro difference. Could sufficient revenue be generate from a commercial use pays model? Cheers, Allen K

[6/10] from: doug:vos:eds at: 30-Aug-2001 12:26

You are right, they are woking on BIG NEW stuff. One thing -- I sure hope the next release has LDAP protocol built in. Extremely important in corporate environment.

[7/10] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 31-Aug-2001 8:07

Maybe RT didn't want us to play with sound too much, untill mp3, streaming support etc. are added? :-) -pekr- Carl Read wrote:

[8/10] from: cyphre:volny:cz at: 31-Aug-2001 9:29

> Thoughts/Debate ... > Should View's sound handling and move to the free version? > Since there is a commercial license is there still a need for a View and > View/Pro difference. > Could sufficient revenue be generate from a commercial use pays model? >

I don't understand why sound feature is only in /Pro version. As I'm doing electronic music/fx for about 10 years(some old czech games..now just for hobby with my friend Rebolek in our little studio) I cannot understand what RT thinks "proffesional" on simple playing samples? I would accept sound feature in /Pro version only when it would have been made in "Pro" style. For example: programmable mixer with support of basic effects like delay, reverb, distortion...,native fourier transform support(very useful for programming own effect processors), MP3 format support, different kind of sound port buffering, streaming possibility etc. I think that a lot of users who buy /Pro key looking for current sound ability will be dissapointed..."50 bucks for replaying samples???"...and this is not really good for RT. Another issue is Rebol browser plug-in...Will RT sell /Pro plug-ins for users who wants to hear sound in their lovely reblets?? Sounds like bad joke ;-) RT: LET THE SOUND BE FREE!!! Cyphre

[9/10] from: allenk:powerup:au at: 31-Aug-2001 7:15

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Smolak" <[cyphre--volny--cz]> To: <[ally-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 6:30 PM Subject: [ALLY] ALLIES, WAKE UP!!

> Hi all ALLIES, > > Seems like all of you(include me) have died off or disapear from this list > ;-). > > Rest of us rather shows their "Guru abilities" to r-newbies (I have

nothing

> against r-newbies and spreading the Rebolution but the recent situation > between rebol developers/testers seems really srange to me ;-) ) instead

> concentrate on real /View problems and the future way of Rebol/View(and

not

ALLY

> or even /Express conference? I believe RT continue developing of their

cool

> products but it seems to me they are loosing contact with us testers and > developers...

> I'm writing this beacuse I want to see you waking up for the next versions > of Rebol/View, to hear your opinions, thoughts about new features etc.

Such

> way could have built new, better, closer way of communication with our > CREATORS...so don't hesitate, go on! >

[10/10] from: carl:cybercraft at: 31-Aug-2001 17:50

On 31-Aug-01, Allen Kamp wrote:

> Thoughts/Debate ... > Should View's sound handling and move to the free version?

Yes. This may seem back to front, but I haven't bought View/Pro yet because sound support (and encryption) is only in Pro. I want to be able to distribute the scripts I write without them being crippled for some users. From my point of view, there's no point in adding sound to a script when most users couldn't hear it. As to encryption being in the free version, I'd say it's even more inportant than sound. Privacy and security is very important and not having encryption in all REBOLs will be a turn-off to a lot of people. The reason to buy Pro should be for its ability to link to your standard apps and the like, (and will be in my case), and not to get sound and encryption. Not having them in the free versions makes buying Pro a less attractive option. (IMHO, of course).

> Since > there is a commercial license is there still a need for a View and > View/Pro difference.

I guess there's some people who want the advantages of Pro but are not thinking of using REBOL for commercial purposes, so two products perhaps makes sense in that case. But then, some may use Pro for commercal purposes without getting a licence, but that applies to the free REBOLs too. RT should know by now whether there's good reason to have two versions going by how many of each they've been selling.

> Could sufficient revenue be generate from a commercial use pays > model?

Pass. -- Carl Read