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[SDK] Installer

 [1/21] from: mattsmac:hotma:il at: 18-Nov-2003 9:11


Does anyone have any documentation on how to use the installer module of the REBOL SDK? It is not included in the standard documentation as of yet, unless there is a newer version of the documentation that I don't know about. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95.

 [2/21] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 18-Nov-2003 11:31


Hi Matt, MM> Does anyone have any documentation on how to use the installer module of the MM> REBOL SDK? It is not included in the standard documentation as of yet, MM> unless there is a newer version of the documentation that I don't know MM> about. Hmmm. My SDK is a bit older...what installer module are you talking about? -- Gregg

 [3/21] from: mattsmac:hot:mail at: 18-Nov-2003 13:44


I dunno, in the documentation for the SDK it says 7. Creating Self-Installing Programs Description to be provided in a future release. See the Registry chapter for examples. But in the registry chapter all it shows is how to change the windows registry, not how to actually make an installer for the program. ---------------------------------- Hi Matt, MM> Does anyone have any documentation on how to use the installer module of the MM> REBOL SDK? It is not included in the standard documentation as of yet, MM> unless there is a newer version of the documentation that I don't know MM> about. Hmmm. My SDK is a bit older...what installer module are you talking about? -- Gregg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com

 [4/21] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 18-Nov-2003 13:26


Hi Matt, MM> I dunno, in the documentation for the SDK it says MM> 7. Creating Self-Installing Programs MM> Description to be provided in a future release. MM> See the Registry chapter for examples. MM> But in the registry chapter all it shows is how to change the windows MM> registry, not how to actually make an installer for the program. Mine, from 5-aug-2003, have examples for updating the registry to do what REBOL itself does for self-installing apps. If you want a real setup/installer type application...keep your eyes peeled. ;) -- Gregg

 [5/21] from: maarten:vrijheid at: 19-Nov-2003 15:30


> Mine, from 5-aug-2003, have examples for updating the registry to do > what REBOL itself does for self-installing apps. If you want a real > setup/installer type application...keep your eyes peeled. ;) >
Meaning that Gregg is building an install toolkit which will be available somewhere before half december. You know, like Installshield but then cross-platform. --Maarten

 [6/21] from: ptretter:charter at: 18-Nov-2003 18:29


Hmmm... I'm interested in a Good REBOL installer myself. Currently, I use InnoSetup which is pretty good and free for commercial use. But its not REBOL :( So I'm interested in what is coming. Paul Tretter

 [7/21] from: antonr:iinet:au at: 20-Nov-2003 12:55


That's such a tight schedule. How will he do it? I'd like to see the design feature list. Anton.

 [8/21] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 19-Nov-2003 20:32


Hi Paul, PT> Hmmm... I'm interested in a Good REBOL installer myself. Currently, I use PT> InnoSetup which is pretty good and free for commercial use. But its not PT> REBOL :( So I'm interested in what is coming. If you, or anyone else, has comments about what they like (and don't) about different installers, go ahead and send them to me (direct is fine to keep clutter down here). I've look at a number, including Inno and NSIS, but would welcome input to see if I'm on the right track. -- Gregg

 [9/21] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 19-Nov-2003 20:46


Hi Anton, AR> That's such a tight schedule. How will he do it? 1) I've given up sleeping 2) REBOL 3) The features that make it in for the first release probably won't make InstallShield quiver in fear just yet. :) AR> I'd like to see the design feature list. Because of the short timeframe, I don't plan to put forth any kind of RFC on the design; the conversation would take more time than anything and I can't wait to make decisions. What I'm doing is making the best decisions I can (with input from Maarten and Gabriele) with the knowledge that various pieces could be scrap if they were bad choices. If anyone wants to send me their thoughts, I'd more than welcome them; I just can't take too much time discussing things. Hopefully it will be a good starting point, or at least we can learn from my mistakes. Great to know that people are interested though! I'm very excited about it myself. -- Gregg

 [10/21] from: maarten:vrijheid at: 20-Nov-2003 7:58


Hi Anton,
> That's such a tight schedule. How will he do it? > I'd like to see the design feature list.
You can't, as the feature list is primarily derived from the actual project: building a framework for a cross-platform Stunnel installer. This will give a very good base dialect freely available. On top of that Gregg / anybody else can expand and do whatever they want, as the dialect will be delivered as open source. Gabriele may be the first "other" user for the REBOL-based project I've hired him for. Of course if you have a feature that you think is needed you can always mail Gregg, but don't complain if it is not there in the first release. And of course if you want to help Gregg test the dialect once it is there I think you're more than welcome. --Maarten

 [11/21] from: Christophe:Coussement:mil:be at: 20-Nov-2003 8:31


Hi Gregg, An installer in REBOL ... mmm great idea ! FYI, there is a Frenchman who already wrote an installer (http://etienne.alaurent.free.fr/rebol/tools/install-rimaker.r) which I didn't use. I personally tested: * Setup2Go: (+) easy interface,possibility to add a passw to control installation (-) slow interface, system events do not always work (reboot after install...) * Install2Go: (+) interface (-) slow * InnoSetup: (+) lot of possibilities (-) interface, not always clear * Setupfactory: (+) lot of possibilities, S/N generation (-) didn't find any We use now Setup2Go for our software distribution, because the installation control by password is a requirement. If it should not, I would go for SetupFactory, or your product ;-) This is a _very_ succint analysis. I hope this helps anyway :) ==christophe

 [12/21] from: maarten:vrijheid at: 20-Nov-2003 10:29


Hi Cristophe, Gregg will add (among others) windows stuff like generating an uninstall, a registry dialect etc. That's why Etienne's toolkit is not an option. Thanks for the analysis, password protection can be handy, but is that per user or per installer? --Maarten

 [13/21] from: Christophe:Coussement:mil:be at: 20-Nov-2003 13:35


Hi Maarten,
> Gregg will add (among others) windows stuff like generating an > uninstall, a registry dialect etc. That's why Etienne's toolkit is not > an option.
BTW, another very usefull feature is the generation of a shortcut (*.lnk) into the start menu, desktop, etc... with the option to choose the profile (all users, particular user,...). But I think you already knew this ;-)
> Thanks for the analysis, password protection can be handy, but is that > per user or per installer?
IMHO, the two can be usefull: * per user, if you want to restrict the distribution (which is kept into a central serveur) by holding control on who is allowed to install, changing password when an installation has been done - what we do. I this option, I should find _very_ usefull the possibility of unabling the installer after a certain amount of installations - protecting it against unallowed copies. * per installer, for a sell-and-forget, when you distribute your software + the utilisation rights - that is a serial number (see the approach of Setup Factory). Just my 5 (euro-)cents thoughts... Thanks for asking :) ==christophe

 [14/21] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 20-Nov-2003 9:38


Thanks for the info Christophe! -- Gregg

 [15/21] from: greggirwin:mindspring at: 20-Nov-2003 9:57


Hi Christophe, CC> BTW, another very usefull feature is the generation of a CC> shortcut (*.lnk) into the start menu, desktop, etc... with CC> the option to choose the profile (all users, particular CC> user,...). But I think you already knew this ;-) Already there; for current user or all users. I have notes about including a serial number/registration screen, but since we won't need that for this project, it may not be in there to begin with. We've talked a bit about the ability to build setup packages dynamically, and remotely, so your comments there are helpful as well. Thanks! -- Gregg

 [16/21] from: ptretter:charter at: 20-Nov-2003 13:03


Installers are almost a must for commercial software. The other major project that should be undertaken is a REBOL based help system for providing software documentation. Help system should be able to plugin to any facet action. So that I can call a btn "help" [do %help.r] or have it already as an #include Just some more ideas to stimulate the community... :-) Paul ---- Original Message -----

 [17/21] from: Steven:White:ci:bloomington:mn:us at: 20-Nov-2003 13:26


>>> [ptretter--charter--net] 11/20/03 01:03PM >>>
The other major project that should be undertaken is a REBOL based help system for providing software documentation. Help system should be able to plugin to any facet action. So that I can call a btn "help" [do %help.r] or have it already as an #include I have tried two Q&D approaches to help. 1. Make the right-click action of a button call the "inform" function to display a layout of help for that button. 2. Write the help in HTML and have the "help" button launch the browser on the HTML help file. Steven White City of Bloomington 1800 W Old Shakopee Rd Bloomington MN 55431-3096 USA 952-563-4882 (voice) 952-563-4672 (fax) [steven--white--ci--bloomington--mn--us]

 [18/21] from: maximo:meteorstudios at: 20-Nov-2003 14:41


sorry if its been asked before... will this installer work for all of us or just sdk users? -MAx --- You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution, but in the end, being part of the problem is much more fun.

 [19/21] from: maarten:vrijheid at: 20-Nov-2003 21:49


SDK users, you'll need an encap. --Maarten

 [20/21] from: maximo:meteorstudios at: 20-Nov-2003 16:17


ah well, <snif, weep, snif> :.-( -MAx --- This signature was intentionally left empty

 [21/21] from: Christophe:Coussement:mil:be at: 21-Nov-2003 8:09


Hi Gregg, Glad I could help you a bit ;)
> Hi Christophe, > > CC> BTW, another very usefull feature is the generation of a > CC> shortcut (*.lnk) into the start menu, desktop, etc... with > CC> the option to choose the profile (all users, particular > CC> user,...). But I think you already knew this ;-) > > Already there; for current user or all users.
;-))
> We've talked a bit about the ability to build setup packages > dynamically, and remotely, so your comments there are helpful as well.
I do not see what you mean by 'dynamically and 'remotely in this context - sorry if I am slow here :( Could you give an example of your thoughts ?
> Thanks!
Thanks to you for your work :) ==christophe