[1/9] from: gchiu::compkarori::co::nz at: 10-Dec-2000 13:44
Looks to me as though these guys are very much into RT's space http://www.nqli.com/ NQL supports an impressive range of communications protocols, built-in and ready to use. The protocols available include HTTP and HTTPS for web access; FTP for moving files; MAPI, POP3, and SMTP for sending and reading e-mail; ODBC, JDBC, OLEDB, and ADO for database access; NNTP for reading newsgroups; LDAP for accessing directory servers; SNMP for network monitoring; and TELNET for interacting with legacy systems. Having oodles of protocols built-in to the language is only half the story. Communications in NQL is accomplished with a small set of statement keywords designed to logically fit together. Differences in protocols are hidden. For example, the method of reading MAPI e-mail and the method of reading POP3 e-mail is the same. -- Graham Chiu
[2/9] from: carlos:lorenz at: 9-Dec-2000 23:23
Except for pricing :) --Lorenz
[3/9] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 10-Dec-2000 14:45
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 23:23:33 -0200 "Lorenz" <[carlos--lorenz--net]> wrote:
> Except for pricing :) > --Lorenz
It's aimed at corporates hence the excessive pricing :-) -- Graham Chiu
[4/9] from: ralph:abooks at: 9-Dec-2000 21:15
>> Except for pricing :) >> --Lorenz > >It's aimed at corporates hence the excessive pricing :-) > >-- >Graham Chiu >--
Well, I'm CEO of a corporation, Graham, and we are not into paying excessive pricing<g>, which is why I like REBOL so much. It's affordable! --Ralph Roberts
[5/9] from: webmaster:siliconspecies at: 9-Dec-2000 20:20
Explored the product offering, it appears to be very kick ass, except for the pricing of course. 10K for the ability to develop on a remote machine and serve on another? Insane. Anyway, I realize this is their 'creative' way of protecting themselves and still being able to give a fully featured trial. Now, if REBOL could mirror some of the functionalities of NQL in the near future, that would be kick ass! Jeff
[6/9] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 10-Dec-2000 15:56
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 20:20:28 -0600 "Jeff Rubin" <[webmaster--SILICONSPECIES--COM]> wrote:
> Explored the product offering, it appears to be very kick > ass, except for > the pricing of course.
Pricing is of course just a business decision, and that can change in an instant. I've read that web mining is going to be huge in a couple of years, and the more competition, the better each player will have to be. RT have that capability there, but it's rather underdeveloped at present. Awaiting another dialect I guess - make datamining as easy as VID! NQL's ODBC interface looks much easier. And both still lack IMAP support. However, I think one of Rebol's main advantages over NQL is it's user base, and online support from the RT staff :-). -- Graham Chiu
[7/9] from: brett:codeconscious at: 10-Dec-2000 21:32
I had a glance at the NQL site. NQL is interesting for its Neural net functionality and other gizmos, but it looks to be handicapped by an over-enthusiastic marketing push. I've my doubts about the "simplicity" of manipulating a stack as well (I never quite learnt Forth, nor used the HP financial calculators - so that might explain it :) ) The pricing and positioning of NQL as being a new standard for computing (akin to SQL) is probably to boost an overvalued share price. All up, me thinks Rebol has a much more solid future than this one, on the other hand, we all have seen that the best technology does not always succeed.
> I've read that web mining is going to be huge in a couple of > years, and the more competition, the better each player will > have to be.
Before Rebol I was quite taken by WebL. A research project at Digital Research which was investigating languagues suitable for automatic information gathering from the Web. WebL is quite straightforward and very specific. I thought it succeeded quite well at specific tasks. It is not however supported and for a while, disappeared altogether. I now use Rebol to solve the same problems even if it is a little harder at the moment than WebL. My plan, given a spare huge amount of hours, is to develop a capability similar to what WebL has but using Rebol scripts. Unless of course, someone else will kindly do it and give me the results. Somethings though, I'll not be able to do without changes to Rebol. [RT if you're listening, WebL allows parallel evaluation. Can we have reduce evaluate the items of a block in parallel too?! This could be very handy smoothing out the waits for multiple network requests, or taking advantage of SMP machines.] The thing is, I don't think web mining will be all it's cracked up to be. The main reason being that, the original provider of content may change the structure of the content at any time. Unless that content conforms to some specific standard, you'll never be sure that what you web-mining bot brings back will be useful in any way. If it does conform to a standard, then it most likely won't be the web, it'll be XML or whatever. In other words another protocol.
> RT have that capability there, but it's rather > underdeveloped at present. Awaiting another dialect I guess
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>> However, I think one of Rebol's main advantages over NQL is > it's user base, and online support from the RT staff :-).
Indeed. It will be interesting to see if NQL is still around after the DOT.Crash has finished working itself out of the stock market. Brett.
[8/9] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 10-Dec-2000 13:31
----- Original Message ----- From: Brett Handley <[brett--codeconscious--com]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 11:32 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: NQL
> [RT if you're listening, WebL allows parallel evaluation. Can we have > "reduce" evaluate the items of a block in parallel too?! This could be
> handy smoothing out the waits for multiple network requests, or taking > advantage of SMP machines.]
Although I fully don't understand what you mean, I would like to point out, we currently can 'launch another instance of Rebol and so distribute tasks. Holger also pointed out, root-protocol will change in some future to async behavior. Some of last core port stuff is currently async, IIRC .... But maybe I am missing your point .... Cheers, -pekr-
[9/9] from: g:santilli:tiscalinet:it at: 10-Dec-2000 14:03
Hello Graham! On 10-Dic-00, you wrote: GC> Communications in NQL is accomplished with a small set of GC> statement keywords designed to logically fit together. Keywords? So REBOL's still better. :-) Anyway, how many platforms do they support? How big is their interpreter/compiler/whatever? I'm just curious, but too lazy to go check their site... :-) Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[giesse--writeme--com]> - Amigan - REBOL programmer Amiga Group Italia sez. L'Aquila -- http://www.amyresource.it/AGI/
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