[REBOL] Re: GMANE --> was {Re: Re: List subscription}
From: jasonic::nomadics::org at: 26-Aug-2004 12:55
Hi Sunanda
> That's because it uses frames -- which are a terrible idea for a web
> interface.
Presonally I don't mind them..
These days smart CSS is taking over , but there's still a considerable
learning curve. Not everyone is up to Eric Meyer's skills yet.
http://www.meyerweb.com/
http://www.ericmeyeroncss.com/
http://more.ericmeyeroncss.com/
Anyway, Gmane has a nice toggle to turn frames on or off.
At the bottom of any newslist page
http://news.gmane.org/
But one loses the cool navbar when you do that. It's a choice and a tradeoff
epoipel can decide for themselves.
> One random reference for the problems with frames:
> http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/frames/goodorbad.html
Thanks I'll read it...
> That's part of the reason why it **needs** some Javascript to work. Again,
> not a great idea as something like 15% of people (and 100% of search
engines)
> don't browse with Javascript enabled.
hmm... Again I personally like Javascript. I've always felt the advatnages
far exceed the disadvantages.
The problem these days is mainly Internet Explorer.Too vulnerable. Google
Pop blocker improves life a lot, but I recently switched to Firefox as my
default browser. IT's the first Mozilla browser I've liek and I liek it very
much. Graet plugins too. Good download architecture etc. Only 2 pages so far
have drawn badly on it. Funnky html table prpblems, otherwise it shines.
> So overall, GMANE's interface is not one I'd **recommend** for general
use.
> Of course, it's fine for the people it works for.
Ok fair enough. I still believe Rebol needs better exposure. The hardest
thing for years has been piss-poor visibility if you search via google for
anything rebol. IT simply flew off the regular Web HTML radar. Which is a
big shame. I imagine since rebol.org that that situation has improved some.
Inlcding Rebol in Gmane would improve Rebol's visibiloty but do so in a safe
way.
> I've fixed that. Sorry, it's not a colored bar. It's a navigation bar, at
the
> bottom of the message, that is consistent with the other nav-bars used on
> REBOL.org, eg:
>
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-message.r?m=rmlJRHC
Terrific.. thank you very much!
[constructive criticisms]
I'd suggest you also add the nav bar at the top by the header.
That would avoid a lot of up-down scrolling when one does not need/want to
read every message.
I notice as great as rebol.org is, it could also benefit quickly from CSS
tune-up.
For example you do not seem to use 'visited' link style anywhere. That is a
great shame. It's easy to add css to render visited hover active link etc
and improves user navigation enormously.
Also I wonder why the message headers are in blue underline?
Blue underline is such a strong convention since Mosaic [1993] to indicate
hyperlink. But really I don's see why the underline is necessary?
Blue highlights it well. It's enough. The underline is overkill and suggests
it is a link, but it is not. Less is more.
Either way you have been building a fantastic resource at rebol.org. Thank
you.
Jason
