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[REBOL] .net Framework Re:

From: rishi:picostar at: 10-Sep-2000 11:28

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C01B1A.3186EE80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree rebol has to be platform independent as possible. But I also think rebol has to be as flexible as possible. It should be able to mold itself to work with a specific platform if the user wants. Platform dependencies open up a whole new world of what rebol could do and used for. The key is flexibility. REBOL shouldn't fall into the same trap java fell into by trying to be a self-contained language and platform in a world by itself. Just like dialecting is context specific, rebol should have the capability to be platform specific (and obviously platform independent). Hopefully Rebol Inc. already realized this and will incorporate this thinking in REBOL/Command. By the way, will REBOL/command include rebol/view (which includes rebol/core). Or do you need to have rebol view installed before you can use rebol/command? A bit confusing to me.... Anyone know if Rebol technolgies will be porting rebol/view, rebol/command to qnx real-time-platform? Rishi ----- Original Message ----- From: [jwold--minot--com] To: [list--rebol--com] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: [REBOL] .net Framework I am to a fan of c#'s design. However note the blatent ripoff's of Delphi and Pascal concepts. REBOL's strength is it's ability to be the juggernaut of porting. Imagine if you have all these compiled scripts rolling around for various architectures. REBOL has to remain as platform neutral as possible if it is to succeed. Scripts that run on one machine should be able to run another etc... If they were compiled at runtime, I could see that. However the scripts I have been seeing are incredibly small. A dissapointment on my behalf is that MS simply didn't release the compiler and whatever libraries they needed to include. They released ASP+ and various other behemoth things as well. Essentially to get the c# compiler I had to download 90MB's of .NET (preview) Borland however released it's latest rev of BCC32 for free. If there is a lesson in all this madness take an example from Borland/Inprise, REBOL, PHP... Portability is the key. Note the lack of the name "Sun Micro." in here. Java is to an extent platform dependant now. These are going to be the new big players. The only thing that is hindering this right now is MS's death grip on the computer industry. I enjoy Win2K and various other products from MS. However, their marketing strategies border on either Genghis Kahn or Orwellian. Essentially you have alot of developers out there that are windows bred, not willing to try new things and are very comfortable with RAD environments such as VB &tc.. It is taking a while for people to realize there are better ways to do things than let's say ASP or JSP. Note: If you wish to flame me Windows or Linux users. Please note I am a big fan of OpenBSD & Win2K respectively ;) What I am saying is opinion, if you really don't like it you always have the option of *shock* deleting the message and or ignoring it. Jarrett Snowware ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C01B1A.3186EE80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I agree rebol has to be platform independent as possible. But I also think rebol has to be as flexible as possible. It should be able to mold itself to work with a specific platform if the user wants. Platform dependencies open up a whole new world of what rebol could do and used for. The key is flexibility. REBOL shouldn't fall into the same trap java fell into by trying to be a self-contained language and platform in a world by itself. Just like dialecting is context specific, rebol should have the capability to be platform specific (and obviously platform independent). Hopefully Rebol Inc. already realized this and will incorporate this thinking&nbsp;in REBOL/Command.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>By the way, will&nbsp;REBOL/command include rebol/view (which includes rebol/core). Or do you need to have rebol view installed before you can use rebol/command? A bit confusing to me....</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone know if Rebol technolgies will&nbsp;be porting rebol/view, rebol/command to qnx real-time-platform?</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rishi</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:[jwold--minot--com]" title=[jwold--minot--com]>[jwold--minot--com]</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:[list--rebol--com]" title=[list--rebol--com]>[list--rebol--com]</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 10, 2000 11:19 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [REBOL] .net Framework</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I am to a fan of c#'s design.&nbsp; However note the blatent ripoff's of Delphi and Pascal concepts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>&nbsp; REBOL's strength is it's ability to be the juggernaut of porting.&nbsp; Imagine if you have all these compiled scripts rolling around for various architectures.&nbsp; REBOL has to remain as platform neutral as possible if it is to succeed.&nbsp; Scripts that run on one machine should be able to run another etc...&nbsp; If they were compiled at runtime, I could see that.&nbsp; However the scripts I have been seeing are incredibly small.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>A dissapointment on my behalf is that MS simply didn't release the compiler and whatever libraries they needed to include.&nbsp; They released ASP+ and various other behemoth things as well.&nbsp; Essentially to get the c# compiler I had to download 90MB's of .NET (preview) Borland however released it's latest rev of BCC32 for free.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>&nbsp; If there is a lesson in all this madness take an example from Borland/Inprise, REBOL, PHP...&nbsp; Portability is the key.&nbsp; Note the lack of the name "Sun Micro." in here.&nbsp;&nbsp;Java is&nbsp;to an extent platform dependant now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>&nbsp; These are going to be the new big players.&nbsp; The only thing that is hindering this right now is MS's death grip on the computer industry.&nbsp; I enjoy Win2K and various other products from MS.&nbsp; However, their marketing strategies border on either Genghis Kahn or Orwellian.&nbsp; Essentially you have alot of developers out there that are windows bred, not willing to try new things and are very comfortable with RAD environments such as VB &amp;tc..&nbsp; It is taking a while for people to realize there are better ways to do things than let's say ASP or JSP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Note:&nbsp; If you wish to flame me Windows or Linux users.&nbsp; Please note I am a big fan of OpenBSD &amp; Win2K respectively ;)&nbsp; What I am saying is opinion, if you really don't like it you always have the option of *shock* deleting the message and or ignoring it.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Jarrett</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=720503917-10092000><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2>Snowware</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C01B1A.3186EE80--