Mailing List Archive: 49091 messages
  • Home
  • Script library
  • AltME Archive
  • Mailing list
  • Articles Index
  • Site search
 

List subscription

 [1/18] from: hallvard:ystad:oops-as:no at: 24-Aug-2004 20:31


Hi all (or the few of you) I se on http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-month-index.r?month=200408that the rebol list is not (entirely) dead. But I receive nothing, although I've tried to subscribe and unsubscribe to the list several times. I posted something about robots.txt files a while ago, and I see now that the message reached the list. But I never read it myself! Darn. Who else is in this situation? Why do I receive nothing? Is this a known problem? Help! Hallvard

 [2/18] from: odycy:sympatico:ca at: 24-Aug-2004 14:57


Hallvard Ystad wrote:
>Hi all (or the few of you) >I se on
<<quoted lines omitted: 7>>
>Hallvard >Pr=E6tera censeo Carthaginem esse delendam
Hallvard Well, it seemed like it was dead to me, also, until I got your email. Shortly thereafter, I got one from John. But there had been a disturbingly long silence before that ... :( Last I heard, Carl had fixed the list server. Peter Elliott Dedicated REBOL Lurker

 [3/18] from: tomc:darkwing:uoregon at: 24-Aug-2004 12:09


Hi The list server is alive and happy although a bit board there is the chance that you did not CONFIRM after subscribing, ecartis sends an email saying you tried to subscribe and you need to reply. this got me for a while On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, Odycy Oakville wrote:

 [4/18] from: SunandaDH:aol at: 24-Aug-2004 15:12


Hallvard:
> Who else is in this situation? Why do I receive nothing? Is this a known > problem? Help!
The ML went through some strange ups and downs recently. Possibly you got unsubscribed during the transfer and then tried to follow the inaccurate resubscribe instructions. I *think* this page is now accurate about subscribing: http://www.rebol.com/discussion.html Sunanda.

 [5/18] from: cs:rebol at: 24-Aug-2004 14:43


Let me explain a bit... Running an email-based list is more difficult than it has been in the past. The problem is mainly spam pollution of the list's control and message channels, but there were also some security issues in the past. To fix these problems, we've had to make a lot of adjustments to the list, including changing its address, mail rejection methods, failure processing parameters, as well as changing its subscribe and unsubscribe methods to require confirmation. In addition, spam filters may in some cases accidentally consider replies from email lists as spam itself. So, that's worth considering. As I've said before, I think the days of email are numbered. Although we'll try to keep this list server up as long as possible... most of the REBOL discussion traffic has already moved to AltME worlds or IOS servers. Once we have REBOL-Services on-line, I think we'll have an even better solution to the problem. Best regards, -Carl Sassenrath REBOL Technologies At 12:12 PM 8/24/2004, you wrote:

 [6/18] from: pwawood:mango:my at: 25-Aug-2004 8:02


Here's hoping that REBOL-Services can reach the parts that AltME and IOS can't; especially people without always-on internet connections. Regards Peter On Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004, at 05:43 Asia/Kuala_Lumpur, Carl Sassenrath wrote:

 [7/18] from: moliad:aei:ca at: 24-Aug-2004 20:48


Hi everyone, I think in the last month, a lot of trafic has moved over to altme... I might even be responsible for some of that, as I used to be a constant poster, and would raise issues which sometimes keeps the discussion flowing. with the devcon looming, stuff needing to be finished and altme making is easier to actually get answers to the people I need and right when I need them, I admit I (like many others) are hooked to altme... cause its much more like a forum than a simple chat room... this being said, I know many experts still listen to this list, and any questions will be answered, as they always have. I think that many of us are simply very busy right now, preparing for the devcon... and for me, the end of summer is always hectic, so I guess is that it might be like that for others too... cheers ! -MAx Tom Conlin wrote:

 [8/18] from: moliad:aei:ca at: 24-Aug-2004 20:56


Peter WA Wood wrote:
> Here's hoping that REBOL-Services can reach the parts that AltME and > IOS can't; especially people without always-on internet connections.
IOS does a good job of it, but its not free... so its not a very accessible solution... ALtme has some troubles with phone modems but I hope they can get that cleared sooner rather than later... -MAx

 [9/18] from: pwawood:mango:my at: 25-Aug-2004 14:30


MAx In my limited understanding both AltME and IOS provide full offline viewing but neither allows offline messages to be created and stored for later uploading. This is a problem for people with infrequent or pay-as-you-use internet access. Regards Peter On Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004, at 08:56 Asia/Kuala_Lumpur, Maxim Olivier-Adlhoch wrote:

 [10/18] from: moliad:aei:ca at: 25-Aug-2004 4:56


Peter WA Wood wrote:
> MAx > > In my limited understanding both AltME and IOS provide full offline > viewing but neither allows offline messages to be created and stored > for later uploading. This is a problem for people with infrequent or > pay-as-you-use internet access.
wrt IOS is would just need someone to write an applet or extend those which are there... but you still need to pay big $ to get it in the first hand... but like I said.... we still listen and answer to the ML ;-) we might even throw the question to altme when we are stumped :-) regards ! -MAx

 [11/18] from: SunandaDH:aol at: 25-Aug-2004 5:37


Peter:
> In my limited understanding both AltME and IOS provide full offline > viewing but neither allows offline messages to be created and stored > for later uploading. This is a problem for people with infrequent or > pay-as-you-use internet access.
They also tend to be used for private information exchange rather than public. There is a danger that the REBOL community will retreat into a high-walled enclave and be all but invisible to the outside world. Of course if anyone finds us and climbs the barriers (Altme -- a low barrier; or IOS a much higher one), we'd be highly welcoming. But we probably wouldn't have to worry about that happening very often. The ML is indexed on Google and other search engines, and messages on it appear high up in search engine pages for a wide range of (sometimes surprising) phrases. It is possible to export Altme groups to make them available on the web. That is done with the View 1.3 project, eg: http://www.rebol.net/projects/view1.3/chat167.html But it is hard to mine much useful information by reading what was mainly real-time chat. The valuable resources are in the bug tracker and checklists, and they are not web-published. This is not to say that an email mailing list doesn't have its problems too. Just that it is a serious tool for communicating; and that until its strengths are replicated in other media, doing away with it would be premature. Sunanda.

 [12/18] from: gabriele:colellachiara at: 25-Aug-2004 12:10


Hi Peter, On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, 2:02:05 AM, you wrote: PWW> Here's hoping that REBOL-Services can reach the parts that AltME and PWW> IOS can't; especially people without always-on internet connections. I think we could turn the mailing list as a rebservice. We'd need a couple mail servers wanting to be the gate, for people that need to reach the list via email. Reading can be done via a little View app, without needing to be subscribed. For platforms that do not have View we could either write a Core gateway to make the rebservice accessible via POP3 or NNTP, or just have a NNTP server somewhere working as a gateway. Personally I still prefer email but unless we get something more secure than SMTP then we have no choice anymore. Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer Amiga Group Italia sez. L'Aquila --- SOON: http://www.rebol.it/

 [13/18] from: gabriele:colellachiara at: 25-Aug-2004 12:12


Hi SunandaDH, On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, 11:37:24 AM, you wrote: Sac> This is not to say that an email mailing list doesn't have its problems too. Sac> Just that it is a serious tool for communicating; and that until its strengths Sac> are replicated in other media, doing away with it would be premature. I guess, our only possibility is to be the ones who will design that other media. Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer Amiga Group Italia sez. L'Aquila --- SOON: http://www.rebol.it/

 [14/18] from: nitsch-lists:netcologne at: 25-Aug-2004 15:40


On Mittwoch, 25. August 2004 12:12, Gabriele Santilli wrote:
> Hi SunandaDH, > On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, 11:37:24 AM, you wrote:
<<quoted lines omitted: 4>>
> I guess, our only possibility is to be the ones who will design > that other media.
Most problems are about sending emails to list because of spam etc? And about list sending lots of identical emails, so looking like spam? About sending to list, how about some "password" in text which is removed by list-server? Could be placed in sig, if mailer supports different sigs based in folder/mailinglist. About server sending, maybe mails could be personalized by users? I could tell server to begin mails with: "Hello Volker, yet another rebol-mail for you. Would mails be different enough?
> Regards, > Gabriele. > -- > Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer > Amiga Group Italia sez. L'Aquila --- SOON: http://www.rebol.it/
-Volker

 [15/18] from: carloslorenz:rebolbrasil:nobrenet at: 25-Aug-2004 13:32


Hi I still do not get why we do not use a FORUM-like tool to exchange information about REBOL. In my opinion it would be better then a ML because it's quick to search for information (a nice feature specially good to newbies) since everything is online always. It would be much easier to control spam and most people would feel better using it even with dial-up connections. I think Vanilla could be a better solution up to now since it gives nice conditions to a collaborative work and also it can be indexed by Google - in other others the world could better learn about REBOL than via AltME that is a excellent tool but it is hidden from the internet world. Carlos

 [16/18] from: gabriele:colellachiara at: 25-Aug-2004 20:28


Hi Volker, On Wednesday, August 25, 2004, 3:40:00 PM, you wrote: VN> Most problems are about sending emails to list because of spam etc? VN> And about list sending lots of identical emails, so looking like spam? Yes and no; the problem is the overall complexity of email as is now, where you have to have spam filters, mail servers, list servers, and so on. One glitch and the list is down. Filters have false positives and false negatives, and so on... VN> About sending to list, how about some "password" in text which is removed by VN> list-server? Could be placed in sig, if mailer supports different sigs based VN> in folder/mailinglist. That would make filtering easier, but you still need filtering. Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer Amiga Group Italia sez. L'Aquila --- SOON: http://www.rebol.it/

 [17/18] from: jasonic::nomadics::org at: 25-Aug-2004 23:48


> I still do not get why we do not use a FORUM-like > tool to exchange information about REBOL.
I agree
> In my opinion it would be better then a ML because it's quick > to search for information (a nice feature specially good to newbies) > since everything is online always.
YES
> I think Vanilla could be a better solution up to now > since it gives nice conditions to a collaborative work > and also it can be indexed by Google - in other others > the world could better learn about REBOL than via > AltME that is a excellent tool but it is hidden from > the internet world.
I am happy to learn RT is now looking seriously at Vanilla :-)

 [18/18] from: greggirwin::mindspring::com at: 26-Aug-2004 10:03


Hi Carlos, CL> I still do not get why we do not use a FORUM-like CL> tool to exchange information about REBOL. There is a REBOLtalk forum (http://www.reboltalk.com), but it's a personal preference thing. I'm on slow dialup, and forums (in general, not just REBOLTalk or Vanilla) are very slow for me. It's just not efficient, so I don't use them very much. -- Gregg

Notes
  • Quoted lines have been omitted from some messages.
    View the message alone to see the lines that have been omitted