script library on rebol.com vs rebol.org
[1/16] from: dvydra2::yahoo::com at: 16-Jan-2001 23:20
What is the purpose for the separate script libraries on rebol.com vs rebol.org? just curious :) regards david
[2/16] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 17-Jan-2001 21:44
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:20:09 -0800 (PST) David Vydra <[dvydra2--yahoo--com]> wrote:
> What is the purpose for the separate script libraries > on rebol.com vs rebol.org? > > just curious :) >
The more the merrier. And rebol.org is not associated with rebol.com. -- Graham Chiu
[3/16] from: mat:eurogamer at: 17-Jan-2001 13:33
Heya Graham, GC> The more the merrier. I'd settle for one that was updated. -- Mat Bettinson - EuroGamer's Gaming Evangelist with a Goatee http://www.eurogamer.net | http://www.eurogamer-network.com
[4/16] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 19-Jan-2001 7:24
> GC> The more the merrier. > > I'd settle for one that was updated.
It may be that people want to promote their own web sites than contribute to these other sites. -- Graham Chiu
[5/16] from: allenk:powerup:au at: 19-Jan-2001 7:49
Rebol.Com originally had examples and tested scripts or competition winners. Rebol.Org is for the community to upload scripts. It all worked well for a while until the submit script at org went belly up, and Andrew G no longer had time to keep things running. Then the Rebol.com library area was rewritten and very few people bothered with org. There were a number of attempts to get org going again, but they seemed to focus on its potential rather than the immediate problem of getting the submissions happening again. The submit links page at org is still seems to be actively used. Lots of good links there. There are still a lot of good working scripts in org. (if they don't work, then get an update from the authors). Until the submission script is fixed, I will volunteer to update the ORG libary manually. Send any submissions/updates with full category heading to [allenk--power--com--au] and put [REBOL-ORG] as the subject line. I figure a once/twice a week update is better than none. Cheers, Allen K
[6/16] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 19-Jan-2001 10:59
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:49:29 +1000 "Allen Kamp" <[allenk--powerup--com--au]> wrote:
> Until the submission script is fixed, I will volunteer to > update the ORG
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>> line. I figure a > once/twice a week update is better than none.
Allen, Who actually owns the org domain? Is there a chance that the mailing list archive could be fixed as well? It seemed to break when this list was shifted from Selma. -- Graham Chiu
[7/16] from: rchristiansen:pop:isdfa:sei-it at: 18-Jan-2001 16:15
Perhaps rebolforces.com would be a good place to set up a new script library, preferably with an automatic script submission/update system.
[8/16] from: sterling:rebol at: 18-Jan-2001 14:46
That would be great, huh? I was rather proud of that creation even with it's problems. It did die with the change away from SELMA. That happened at a time when we were all working rather wildly on projects with zero time to spare to ourselves. I tried to make a 15 minute fix so that it would be able to archive the Listar messages but it didn't quite fly. I still think it's just a couple bugs away from working as it once did. Knowing that there is some support to get it running again might just be the kick in the head I need to fix it up to it's rickety, yet working, state. I'll see what I can do and report back. Sterling
[9/16] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 19-Jan-2001 12:28
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:46:36 -0800 [sterling--rebol--com] wrote:
> Knowing that there is some support to get it running > again might just > be the kick in the head I need to fix it up to it's > rickety, yet > working, state. I'll see what I can do and report back.
And here I was thinking it was more of Andrew G's work! How about posting the source so that we all can have a go at fixing it? -- Graham Chiu
[10/16] from: ptretter:norcom2000 at: 18-Jan-2001 19:49
Woohoo! Bring it back. Lets get some new scripts to look at. What better way to learn and advance. Hell maybe I will startup the old Paul's REBOL Page again where the old search engine was. Maybe not the search engine part since it looks like REBOL did a good job of following my lead on that one. :) (nice check boxes) Really! We all love this language and could use more scripts to show the how awesome this language is. Paul Tretter
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:46:36 -0800 > [sterling--rebol--com] wrote:
<<quoted lines omitted: 12>>> [rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the > subject, without the quotes.
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[11/16] from: sterling:rebol at: 18-Jan-2001 20:23
OK. I'll do it tomorrow but be warned that it's not my cleanest work ever. In fact, I'd say it's rather frightening but I'll scrounge up the code tomorrow and make it fetchable off REBOL.org. You may find it easier to take the concept and rewrite. There should be a good, clean, solid mailing list archiver with a search engine written in REBOL. Andrew helped out for a while doing this and that. He kindly took over the ownership when nobody else had the time or desire. The bulk of the original code like the script library, chat, mail archiver, and script submission were done by Jeff and myself as small blitzkrieg projects to try to satisfy a current community need. Little regard to clean coding style was shown in deference to immediate results. Sterling
[12/16] from: allenk:powerup:au at: 19-Jan-2001 19:07
----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Chiu" <[gchiu--compkarori--co--nz]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 7:59 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: script library on rebol.com vs rebol.org
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 07:49:29 +1000 > "Allen Kamp" <[allenk--powerup--com--au]> wrote:
<<quoted lines omitted: 7>>> Allen, > Who actually owns the org domain?
I believe it is Jeff or Sterling.
> Is there a chance that the mailing list archive could be > fixed as well? It seemed to break when this list was > shifted from Selma.
Jeff & Sterling probably stand a better chance of fixing their own code. But I know they are very busy, hence my offer to do some manual updating. Cheers, Allen K
[13/16] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 19-Jan-2001 8:13
>> If they don't work then get an update from the authors....................
Surely it would be better to read the script and try to understand it's functionality and how it works, then rewrite your own improved version if you can and making it work if it's currently broken. That is the best way to learn REBOL, solving a real problem by using and extending your knowledge of REBOL. Also you can also enlist the help of the list members here if you get stuck, that is what open source and shared learning are all about. Just my 2 cents worth. Mark Dickson OSCAR: :REBOL Project Co-ordinator & Founder OSCAR: Open Source Code Also-known-as REBOL ; Check it out!
[14/16] from: rphilipp:suffolk:lib:ny:us at: 19-Jan-2001 11:48
I'd like to put my pennies worth in also. I agree with Mark, We shouldn't force the authors to update their code. I think the programs were made public out of a sense of community sharing. I'm a newbie but from what I've noticed , it would be near impossible for the authors to update their codes on regular basis anyway. That would mean full knowledge of all aspects of the REBOL Language. My observation is that We are all learning, some are a lot more advanced than others but we are all still learning. That's one REBOL's appeal to me, we can each individualize a level of creativity that not available in most other programming languages. That's part of the fun. Find a program, take it apart, add/subtract/change it and make it your own. REBOL: The Official Guide has a chapter called " the Lazy Programmer's Approach to Cloning Functions." The principles there can apply to many programming situations. Sorry for the rambling, Robert P.
[15/16] from: jeff:rebol at: 19-Jan-2001 8:47
> > Who actually owns the org domain? > > I believe it is Jeff or Sterling.
REBOL Technologies owns the domain name. They hold it in trust for the community. The script submission script by email should still be working-- does it not? I'll have a peek today / night sometime. The script that handled that could easily be updated since it was written before REBOL had some important script level introspective capabilities. -jeff
[16/16] from: allenk:powerup:au at: 21-Jan-2001 3:06
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Philippe" <[rphilipp--suffolk--lib--ny--us]> To: <[rebol-list--rebol--com]> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:48 AM Subject: [REBOL] Re: script library on rebol.com vs rebol.org
> I'd like to put my pennies worth in also. I agree with Mark, We shouldn't > force the authors to update their code. I think the programs were made > public out of a sense of community sharing.
Sorry, I think you guys missed my point. Nothing to do with forcing at all. Many of the authors I know have more recent versions and would like to get the updated ones there, but have been unable to whilst the upload bot has been failing. There have been a number of core releases since some of those scripts went up there, some are very out of date (obsolete functions), others were broken by changes in core. Besides its a little courtesy for the author, let 'em know you like the script, report any bugs, have they got an update?, ask about their coding style, technical choices. A lot of us who have contributed many scripts to the public sphere, do not object to such questions/comments, many friends have been made through these interchanges. Cheers, Allen K
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