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[1/12] from: jeff:rebol at: 6-Jul-2001 6:44
> ; time & date: 12:11:47 06 July, 2001
>
> ; FIRST UP APOLOGIES FOR THE LARGE SIZE OF THIS POST.
>
> ; Now uses PICK' for system/schemes & 1 based indexing
> ; seems to work thus far............ Second Version for
> ; Testing / Debugging / Optimizing known bug HELP breaks
Mark: This is a mailing list, not a source code version
control system. Are you seriously going to waste this much
bandwidth in your relentless quest to mutilate REBOL?
-jeff
[2/12] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 6-Jul-2001 10:31
Jeff,
No sorry 8-(
I didn't mean to forward this to the REBOL list
rather my home email account, I was forwarding the
previous mailing with a few changes I'd made
and SENT it before I'd realised I hadn't altered
the intended address or put in a message subject line
sorry for wasting bandwith / unintentionally wasting
peoples time.
HOWEVER I DON'T CONSIDER ZERO INDEXING A MUTILATION
OF REBOL!
I'll stop shouting now.
Also why do you have to use words like "relentless quest" and "mutilate" why not "interesting
changes"
and "trying to resolve peacefully an ongoing issue".
Nobody else seems to be doing anything else but bickering and flamebaiting yourself included.
Sorry about the second wrongly sent BIG post.
cheers my REBOL friends,
have a good weekend break folks.
Mark Dickson
In a message dated Fri, 6 Jul 2001 9:52:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeff Kreis <[jeff--rebol--net]>
writes:
<<
> ; time & date: 12:11:47 06 July, 2001
>
> ; FIRST UP APOLOGIES FOR THE LARGE SIZE OF THIS POST.
>
> ; Now uses PICK' for system/schemes & 1 based indexing
> ; seems to work thus far............ Second Version for
> ; Testing / Debugging / Optimizing known bug HELP breaks
Mark: This is a mailing list, not a source code version
control system. Are you seriously going to waste this much
bandwidth in your relentless quest to mutilate REBOL?
-jeff
[3/12] from: jeff:rebol at: 6-Jul-2001 8:14
> Also why do you have to use words like "relentless quest"
> and "mutilate" why not "interesting changes" and "trying to
> resolve peacefully an ongoing issue".
I wouldn't use words like "interesting changes" -- "resolve
blah blah" because that wouldn't be my opinion. To me,
blind search and replace hacks on any moderately sized
software system is the definition of reckless and capricious
software mutilation. And watching it with REBOL as the
target just hurts my brain. :-)
I suppose we have different standards, Mark.
-jeff
[4/12] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 6-Jul-2001 12:22
NO JEFF,
I must strongly object!
We don't have different standards, different abilities and
different access to resources then yes.
You get paid full time to work on REBOL, write REBOL & native
code, and have full access to all parts of the system as well
as the people who wrote the different parts of REBOL that
you didn't help write personally.
IT WAS YOU WHO SUGGESTED TRYING TO IMPLEMENT ZERO INDEXING
BY REDEFINING WORDS.
I took up the challenge for the fun of it, however I have a
full time pressing day job and can only "Hack" at REBOL and
everything else inmy spare time so I suppose IAM what I've
heard RT folks term a "Hobbyist".
I didn't write ANY of the REBOL mezzanine code so when trying
to FIND and replace redefine words how else do you suggest
that somebody attempts it other than trying to SEARCH for
what your looking for and REPLACE it if you think it makes
sense.
So yes that's MUTILATION if the folks who really know where
everything is and what needs to be changed WON'T do anything
at all to try & help you.
Therefore an open source approach of "with enough eyeballs
all bugs are shallow" I posted what I had and appealed to
those on the List who are interested in ZERO INDEXING to
help me incrementally refine and improve the code until it
doesn't break anything and is not a mutilation as you so
kindly put it.
It hurts my brain too knowing that with the "right" HELP
the task could be approached so much better and the desired
results produced so much more cleanly and quicker.
Okay so you don't agree with zero indexing nor think that
would have a beneficial effect on achieving the "goals" of
REBOL. But what about the goals of your users?
Nobody would be forced to use a completed & highly polished
ZERO-INDEX
patch, people would only use it if they wanted
and if they felt it made REBOL seem more intuitive or easier
for them. If you are correct then these people are in the
minority, and that may be so, but do their needs not matter?
Nobody would be "harmed" by a zero-index patch, some people
might benefit, so is that a wrong thing to aspire to or to
try to help to create?
YOU have more talent, expertise and resources than me, that
much is obvious, why not practice what you preach about being
a good list member and help me out here rather than only
offering unconstructive criticism and negativity.
Maybe YOU & most others wouldn't like or use the zero-index-patch,
that's fine that's your perogative, but why not respect the people
who might and offer some helpful advice & constructive support
to your users / supporters / customers who would prefer zero based
indexing.
I don't want to mutilate REBOL, I want zero-indexing and logical
equivalence of zero, none, false values etc. If as you put it
Iam making a pig's ear of things then for goodness sake HELP
me, put me on the right tracks. I'll do all the donkey work if
you give me a prescription of what needs to be done.
>> Pick [false true] none
== false
looks just as pretty as ...
>> Pick [ 1 2 ] false
== 2
Surely this is an "aesthetic" difference / preference about style
and correctness. If you agree with that then why is it so heinous
for people to disagree with you?
The ball as they say is back in your court.
cheers my REBOL friend 8-)
Mark Dickson
>> Also why do you have to use words like "relentless quest"
>> and "mutilate" why not "interesting changes" and "trying to
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
> target just hurts my brain. :-)
> I suppose we have different standards, Mark.
-jeff
[5/12] from: jeff:rebol at: 6-Jul-2001 9:51
> IT WAS YOU WHO SUGGESTED TRYING TO IMPLEMENT ZERO INDEXING
> BY REDEFINING WORDS.
I have to remember to be very careful with my tongue and
cheek around you, I suppose.
This is just more of a useless bandwidth soak. I give up,
Mark. You win. You are the victor.
Down with software architecture, Up with:
"replace/all source old-thing new-thing because I don't have
the time, will, energy, resources, understanding ..."
-jeff
[6/12] from: robbo1mark:aol at: 6-Jul-2001 13:19
JEFF,
okay so maybe you did suggest it tongue in cheek, but
I still want to do it.
I don't want to win! ( if that's not your tongue in
cheek humour again 8-)
If you know me at all by now Iam not interested in personality battles or winning or
anything Like that.
What Iam interested in and DO try to achieve is trying
to make things better if that's what in my opinion
needs to be done or might be beneficial to be done.
ZERO Indexing and all that nonsense doesn't suit everybody, fair enough I accept that.
However wouldn't it be good to show REBOL strength and
proving it to implement behaviour / functionality that
might be against the original "design" aspirations.
In one of my earliest introductions to REBOL Carl wrote
that it was designed to evolve and that there were NO
reserved or keywords, everything could be redefined if
that was your need.
Well this is my need, my desire, AND some (maybe minority) other peoples. It would be
great if you could help.
All Iam asking is you to guide me in the right direction
as to how best implement / approach the task. I will DO
all the donkey work & all the rest.
I've no desire to be any kind of a victor, I just want
to use the language I love which is REBOL and make it "better" (in my opinion) if I can.
I think a zero-index-patch might be a useful thing of
some utility & help to myself and others, that's all.
This is something I would like to do!
cheers Jeff,
Mark Dickson
In a message dated Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:59:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Jeff Kreis <[jeff--rebol--net]>
writes:
<<
> IT WAS YOU WHO SUGGESTED TRYING TO IMPLEMENT ZERO INDEXING
> BY REDEFINING WORDS.
I have to remember to be very careful with my tongue and
cheek around you, I suppose.
This is just more of a useless bandwidth soak. I give up,
Mark. You win. You are the victor.
Down with software architecture, Up with:
"replace/all source old-thing new-thing because I don't have
the time, will, energy, resources, understanding ..."
-jeff
[7/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 16-Jul-2001 21:35
I think this is only available with sertain service packs and on the win2000
platform, or NT.
It does not work in win95, 98 unless you run a MS server to do the
MS.XMLHTTP posting.
I looked at this closely and found out you would need a boat load of M$
software just to recognize the no reload ability just for personal use.
Unless someone out there is willing to let us place our scripts in there
M$ boxes.
[8/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 16-Jul-2001 21:44
Hi all,
I have been playing around with copy and pasting to the clipboard://, but I
would like to use a function to do it for me.
I give... I can easily write the read function, but the write function wants
a value, and if I give it one in the function it writes that one to the clip
board.
can any one show me (with explanation) how to do this?
write: func [ cipboard:// /local post] [
post: [write clipboard:// ("")]
do post]
[9/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 29-Aug-2001 13:08
Hi all,
Is there a way to write a script security feature like, -q -w etc.
in a rebol script but not executed from the comand line and
still keep the shell from popping up?
I checked my Rebol Official Guide book and the Rebol core
pdf but cant't find the answere for this one.
Any thoughts, I really appreaciate your help and when i finish
writing this Rdc (rebol data control for www) i'll post it.
[10/12] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 29-Aug-2001 11:34
This cant be done at script level. By the time the script executes,
the window has already shown. If you cannot use the command line
switches, try using a wrapper (bash script that calls rebol ).
--Ryan
iNetW3 wrote:
> Hi all,
> Is there a way to write a script security feature like, -q -w etc.
<<quoted lines omitted: 8>>
> [rebol-request--rebol--com] with "unsubscribe" in the
> subject, without the quotes.
--
Ryan Cole
Programmer Analyst
www.iesco-dms.com
707-468-5400
[11/12] from: inetw3:mindspring at: 14-Aug-2001 12:16
Thanks for asking Ric,
<warning; long>
I was putting together a real browser plug-in that
took one set of code and wrote it out for NS, IE,
and Java applet from a dialect, but i could only
parse %.rscripts to give me the first text box,
button, file, etc.. that was found in the them. Not
smart enough back then.
I thought about the fact of constant browser
changes so the Rebol/java plug was
only really needed.
Rebol and java might be too slow(must test more)
so now I've learned to hack at the clipboard://
I copy from within IE pieces of the rebol script
(thanks to reblolets,(DHTML)) ,read/parse Rebol
clipboard:// data, store it in an EMCScript array(SOON)
from Rebol script and throw it back at the rebolet
code in the browser.
I f I'm wrong, sue me (let me know clipboard:// limits)
but it works. Now I'm ready to sp:save png, throw
sp and HTML(and whatever) at the browser. It's all easy
to do, just time consuming to put all those pieces
together for me.
Carl could do all this in about less than one hour.
So could about 8 or 9 others on the list. I have all the
working parts ready to go.
But do they really want to use Rebol as the next Web
service messaging language in the internet setting
or is it just talk? I don't think they are after browsers
but we (some) are. Whatever do we do.
If I can manage my time and get a demo out, the next
step is to use the Java clipboard classes to do it, and
I got that all ready too. No need to build a true Rebol
plugger when you can just paste and go, or, you really
think RT is doing it as you type.
Question? Are we left kicking against the pricks, i mean,
is RT using this stealth time, to make the next thing, and
we all just spun our wheels kicking the Core code around?
Still fun though! (how much more of that 4mill$ do they have
left anyway?)
[12/12] from: mechtn:tkweb at: 15-Oct-2001 12:54
Can anyone tell me how I would make this program read each line from test.txt and make
them a variable. For instance if test.txt had the following values on each line.
o40_1955
o40_1996
o40_1997
o40_1998
How could I make the read/lines put that into a variable. Like just keep reading and
making new variables till it hits the end of the file or 30 variables whichever comes
first. Thanks guys for all your help!
rebol
[
Title: "Read lines from txt file"
Author: "Koie Smith"
Date: 15-Oct-2001
File: %koie1.r
Purpose: {
Read lines from a txt file and set them as variables.
}
]
print read/lines %/c/rebol/test.txt
halt
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