Flash
[1/4] from: nick:guitarz at: 1-Dec-2008 9:25
Hi everyone,
I'm wondering if RT has ever considered creating a Rebol runtime that
runs in the Flash plugin? The possibilities for deployment would be
fantastic. Is that at all a possibility for the future?
[2/4] from: compkarori::gmail::com at: 1-Dec-2008 19:35
Nick
What's wrong with the Rebol plugin ( being updated! )
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Nick Antonaccio <nick-guitarz.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I'm wondering if RT has ever considered creating a Rebol runtime that
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[3/4] from: nick:guitarz at: 2-Dec-2008 6:21
Hi Graham,
It's great to hear that the plugin is being updated! I have no
complaints about the plug-in - it's just that flash has so much
penetration these days, and allows deployment to so many platforms.
So many devices already have flash installed, and it's trusted. Flash
is available off the shelf in just about every browser, and in mobile
devices. Users are familiar with it, so there are very few worries
about getting permission to install and use it. Instead of trying to
keep up with changes in browser technology, targeting a version of
REBOL for flash runtime would automatically provide seamless support
for an enormous percentage of the web environment (along with a big
chunk of mobile and desktop too) - and that support is only going to
improve. I can imagine that a flash/REBOL interpreter might also
attract a a whole new crowd of developers :)
If it's possible to create, I'd think it'd be much easier to maintain
an installed base of Rebol interpreters in the the browser via flash,
instead of targeting each independent browser, even as browser
technology changes (let Adobe do the work of adapting their run-time).
I think it's safe to say that support for existing versions of Flash
probably won't fade away any time in the near future...
Maybe those are some potential benefits to think about... Is it even
possible to create a Rebol interpreter that runs in the Flash runtime?
- Nick
ps - One of the things that drove my initial interest in Rebol was the
ability to run my scripts on just about any machine. Things have
changed since then. In the past, we chose operating systems to run
our apps on. Now we choose browsers and devices. I've been playing
with openlaszlo lately, and I'm smitten by its ability to compile to
flash and dhtml, because I know that just about anyone who wants to
run anything I create in it will be able to run those apps
immediately. Maybe we'd like to make the issue more complex then
that, but that fact is true - between flash and dhtml, I can run
laszlo apps on just about any machine, immediately. I'd LOVE to have
a flash platform version of REBOL - it would breath a whole new life
and usefulness into my favorite tool :)
Quoting Graham Chiu <compkarori-gmail.com>:
[4/4] from: petr:krenzelok:seznam:cz at: 3-Dec-2008 14:11
Nick Antonaccio napsal(a):
> Hi Graham,
>
> It's great to hear that the plugin is being updated!
I am not sure you translated it correctly. Maybe above sentence means,
that if we update plug-in, it is the way to go, and not to port REBOL to
Flash. Some language gurus would have to comment here, but I am not
sure, we can easily port REBOL to Flash, JAVA, or other VM, without
significant loss. Remember - in order to get View working, you need
parser, you need REBOL itself, so you would have to port whole REBOL to
particular VM.
Some guys were thinking the other way - making VID to html (css, js,
ajax), VID to Flash translator. But then it would fit only for limited
subset of language. I don't expect every low level View code to work.
But once again - this one is for gurus.
But - there is also the third way - once R3 is released, it is 80% being
open sourced. All host codes are going to be released. So I expect to R3
to span new platforms much more easily than it was with R2 (dependant on
RT only). Of course having R3 itself running on particular platform
still does not mean we will have it running in browser. But
browser-plug-in should be another strategic component imo.
-pekr-
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