Konfabulator
[1/7] from: petr::krenzelok::trz::cz at: 12-Feb-2003 13:14
Hello list,
from the phoenix list, I found link to Konfabulator - it is supposed to
be kind of app, we all would like Rebol to be imo ...
http://wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,57620,00.html
http://kmirror.deskmod.com/
-pekr-
[2/7] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 13-Feb-2003 7:19
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:14:43 +0100
Petr Krenzelok <[petr--krenzelok--trz--cz]> wrote:
>from the phoenix list, I found link to Konfabulator - it
>is supposed to be kind of app, we all would like Rebol to
>be imo ...
>
>http://wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,57620,00.html
>http://kmirror.deskmod.com/
Perhaps it's time to ask the developers/users whether they
would like to see platform specific enhancements for Rebol
...
Anyone want to set up a poll?
--
Graham Chiu
http://www.compkarori.com/cerebrus
[3/7] from: tbrownell:l3technology at: 12-Feb-2003 9:56
Nice.
I think getting the SetLayeredWindowAttributes (windows) API call (earlier
posts) would be critical for something like this.
TB
[4/7] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 12-Feb-2003 20:41
Graham Chiu wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:14:43 +0100
> Petr Krenzelok <[petr--krenzelok--trz--cz]> wrote:
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> Perhaps it's time to ask the developers/users whether they would like
> to see platform specific enhancements for Rebol ...
I think that the question was partially answered already. We have
several levels which break write once run everywhere rule alredy -
various Pro and Command features, ability to work with registry (even
set as default ;-) ...
My opinion is, that rebol is not only a language - it is a platform, it
is a principle you use to create software apps. Saying that, we could
consider platform specific issues as being just plug-ins ... so, not
being able to do something on certain platform means - you don't have
the plug-in, or your platform is not able to handle the situations, but:
we CAN'T live with the lowest denominator principle forever. What
happens when we want to move to mobile devices, which are underpowered?
Will we limit desktop OS versions too, just because some cell phone
rebol is not able to do some special gfx effects fast enough? You know
my opinion for far too long already - one rebol kernel - the lowest
denominator - and the rest of functionality - plug-ins, even for native
functionality ...
-pekr-
[5/7] from: rebologue:y:ahoo at: 13-Feb-2003 9:56
I ran across Konfabulator from a link to a recent
article on X-Internet/Rich Client GUIs:
<http://www.boxesandarrows.com/archives/htmls_time_is_over_lets_move_on.php>
The author has set up a mailing list to further the
discussion and explore tools/techniques for evolving
beyond the current state of browser apps.
<http://lists.htmhell.com/listinfo.cgi/webgui-htmhell.com>
WRT platform specific capabilities, I think the need
is without question. There is a wide gulf between a
greenfields lab project and a product that users are
willing to accept into their lives, and that
developers are willing to shell-out money for.
New tools like Konfabulator are cropping up nearly
every month. My hope is that RT revises its course by
a few degrees, if only enough to convince investors
that RT is serious about playing a lead role in a
commercial space. Flash MX and others may have rotten
foundations, but they are not static: they continue to
patch and build at a brisk pace.
-- Ed
Petr Krenzelok wrote:
> >
> >from the phoenix list, I found link to Konfabulator
> >it is supposed to be kind of app, we all would like
> >Rebol to be imo ...
Graham Chiu wrote:
[6/7] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 14-Feb-2003 11:58
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:56:32 -0800 (PST)
"Ed O'Connor" <[rebologue--yahoo--com]> wrote:
>WRT platform specific capabilities, I think the need
>is without question. There is a wide gulf between a
>greenfields lab project and a product that users are
>willing to accept into their lives, and that
>developers are willing to shell-out money for.
There must be a question otherwise RT would be doing it.
Perhaps, as I said, we need to set up a poll to see what
the depth of feeling is .. and RT can take note of that.
--
Graham Chiu
http://www.compkarori.com/cerebrus
[7/7] from: krobillard:san:rr at: 15-Feb-2003 14:26
On Thursday 13 February 2003 09:56 am, Ed O'Connor wrote:
> I ran across Konfabulator from a link to a recent
> article on X-Internet/Rich Client GUIs:
>
> <http://www.boxesandarrows.com/archives/htmls_time_is_over_lets_move_on.php
Hey, thanks for the link. While that article wasn't so interesting (yes, HTML
sucks but it's not going away anytime soon - and it shouldn't at this point
in time), I did find my way from that site to ftrain.com which has many good
ones. One article there (http://ftrain.com/archive_ftraintwo_14.html) even
makes a brief mention of REBOL.
-Karl
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