HTML/Javascript vs REBOL plugin (was Re: CitrusWeb sample - so you want to edit?)
[1/6] from: luke::marmaladefoo::com at: 20-Mar-2004 10:34
If anyone would like to integrate the REBOL plugin into
CitrusWeb or write a REBOL/View front end, they are very
welcome. I'd love to see that.
My personal view of where REBOL generates the best
value is mainly at the back end/server side, and then use
HTML and javascript as a client side technology. HTML is
going to be viewable by anyone on any platform for a very
long time. For me, its the clear choice if you want to have
painless technology adoption. Javascript/DHTML is rich
enough for most user interface aspects, and the web is all
about links which is what HTML is all about. How would a
rebsite (or a flashsite etc) get searched by Google??
The aim for CitrusWeb - as a web application framework -
is to use graceful degradation for all its main navigation
features (so if you turn off javascript you get a plain
HTML rendition instead). As everyone knows :-) graceful
degradation is
(1) just best web design practice
(2) totally necessary from an accessibility point
of view
(3) and it means webbots like google etc can
crawl your website and ensure you get the
best exposure
You cant so easily do the same when a client side
technology is being used (Flash, Java, REBOL plugin for
IE).
Best Wishes
- Luke
On 20 Mar 2004, at 9:38, Carl Read wrote:
> > To use the new Rebol browser plug in to replace the
> > javascript navigation tool you have...
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[2/6] from: carl:cybercraft at: 21-Mar-2004 0:47
On 20-Mar-04, Luke Orlando Emmet wrote:
> How would a
> rebsite (or a flashsite etc) get searched by Google??
From a technical POV, a rebsite wouldn't be difficult for Google to
search - it just needs to look at the script's header. I doubt
they'll bother till there's millions of scripts about though.
Out of curiousity, I've just been using Google to try and find REBOL
scripts and a search for "rebol .r" (without the speechmarks) ranked
my solar-sim reblet at 5. Like it's had about 50 hits and been
online for all of two weeks and it's at number 5 in a search for
rebol .r
?!? It's also the first link shown with a .r extension.
So, what's different about my reblet? Well, because of the way my
host handles REBOL scripts, (they have to have a .r extension), I
couldn't have the reblet's page point to a script with a .r extension
as it'd generate an error. So I gave the script a .reblet extension
and the reblet's page a .r instead of .html. (Yes, it's a REBOL
script too, hence its counter.)
Moral of the story? HTML with a .r extension can get listed high by
Google, whereas scripts with a .r extension don't seem to.
I'm now toying with the idea of changing the .reblet extension on the
script to .html to see what happens. ;-)
--
Carl Read
[3/6] from: bry:itnisk at: 21-Mar-2004 0:08
Re: HTML/Javascript vs REBOL plugin (was Re: CitrusWeb sample - so you
maybe you need to do this search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-
8&oe=UTF-8&q=filetype%3Ar+rebol
[4/6] from: carl:cybercraft at: 21-Mar-2004 8:23
On 21-Mar-04, [bry--itnisk--com] wrote:
> maybe you need to do this search:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-
> 8&oe=UTF-8&q=filetype%3Ar+rebol
The idea is to find a way for scripts to show up with standard
searches, as well as to have the text in them searchable by Google.
So if you have comments in your REBOL header, searching for those
comments will find the script.
--
Carl Read
[5/6] from: bry::itnisk::com at: 21-Mar-2004 11:25
actually all it would need is if one could
do searches against MIME type. don't think
google offers that yet, but there may be
other search engines that do.
[6/6] from: hallvard:ystad:oops-as:no at: 21-Mar-2004 20:29
Dixit [bry--itnisk--com] (11.25 21.03.2004):
>actually all it would need is if one could
>do searches against MIME type. don't think
>google offers that yet, but there may be
>other search engines that do.
I had a mime type setting on the rix search, but omitted it when I put in the different
options for searches in REBOL headers. If there's an interest for it, I'll put it back
in.
Rebol scripts don't always come with the same mime type (from different servers?). I
have seen text/plain, application/octet-stream and text/x-rebol, just to mention a few.
So I would have to do some hacks, but it shouldn't be difficult, though.
HY
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