Non-profits [was RE: Rebol programs]
[1/3] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 19-Mar-2002 14:47
[SunandaDH--aol--com] wrote:
> How big is big? I'm a single person and I've developed two stand-alone
> applications for non-profit organizations. One is 6,000 lines. The other is
This is a great idea Sunanda. Not only is REBOL is free for non-commercial use
and could use the exposure, but I could too. I think I will make a point to help
out some of the local non-profits.
--Ryan
[2/3] from: sunandadh::aol::com at: 20-Mar-2002 11:39
Ryan:
> This is a great idea Sunanda. Not only is REBOL is free for non-commercial
> use
> and could use the exposure, but I could too. I think I will make a point
to
> help
> out some of the local non-profits.
Don't let me discourage you, but there are licensing complications even with
non-profits.
I started these applications as they are non-profits I support with IT needs
I could fulfil. Rebol was (still is) extremely attractive for its
multi-platform support -- a typical non-profit of any size has machines
stretching back to the stone age, as well as more recently donated hi-techery.
The problem for me is fourfold:
-- that Rebol licensing is unclear for non-profits. The licence only
distinguishes non-commercial from commercial. As far as I can tell, that's a
personal use / corporate use distinction. Where a non-profit who may have a
commercial wing (e.g. running thrift shops and the like) fits is not clear.
-- I'd like to use View/Pro not just View as I don't want to deploy
applications with poor security, so I really need the encryption. There's a
cost there of USD49 or USD99 per seats. For some NPs that's okay -- I'd tell
em to stop moaning any pay up. But for poorer ones who need tens of seats,
the several thousand dollar mark (even at the lower price) is too high. I've
asked RT several times about cheaper licencing or site licensing for NPs, but
with no result.
-- Similarly, USD350 is way to much for Command/Pro, with which some of the
applications would benefit. Again no sugegstion from RT that a lower price is
possible.
-- Encap looked a possibility. But it needs a developer licence for each
platform supported, and a cost model assuming I'm selling the applications
rather than either donating them or passing them on at cost.
RT are aware of the issues, but move slowly. Here's part of an earlier
exchange:
Scott : (RT commercial manger) [talking about IOS, not standalone Rebol] For
those Non-Profits that want to host their own server, we are discussing plans
right now. Not quite sure what direction it will take, but I'll get back to
you for feed back as soon as I can.
Sunanda: Thanks for the info. The sooner you have a pricing structure, the
quicker we could start haggling!
Scott: Sounds fun!
That was 26-Jan-2002. No further word,
Sunanda.
[3/3] from: riusa:email:it at: 22-Mar-2002 9:26
Hi all, talking about non-profit: I'm the president of an Italian ONLUS
association (non-profit organization which helps people less lucky than
me). I don't gain money from my organization (on the contrary, I spend
much money to maintain it!) and I think would be a great idea to make
Rebol free (even powerful versions like command/view) for non-profit.
Why?
1) Advertisement! I could create an entire Rebol site, making Rebol
more and more popular.
2) If I could use Rebol for free, I could make many things on my site
(more than I make now)... why? since now I have a free account
(XOOM.IT) and I cannot create DB, CGI, etc... but with Rebol I could
create full-featured client programs that manage data in the server.
3) Rebol company will make a very good action! Non-profit organizations
like mine work to improve the life of other people, to improve the
World were evrybody lives, etc... (many jobs can be done from non-
profit organizations). Rebol will help us to act our plans. This could
be a kind of charity. I think every company (with profit), every single
person would give something to help the people who already make
something to help (gratis!) other people, the nature, etc...
bye!
> Ryan:
> > This is a great idea Sunanda. Not only is REBOL is free for non-
commercial
> > use
> > and could use the exposure, but I could too. I think I will make
a point
> to
> > help
> > out some of the local non-profits.
>
> Don't let me discourage you, but there are licensing complications
even with
> non-profits.
>
> I started these applications as they are non-profits I support with
IT needs
> I could fulfil. Rebol was (still is) extremely attractive for its
> multi-platform support -- a typical non-profit of any size has
machines
> stretching back to the stone age, as well as more recently donated hi-
techery.
> The problem for me is fourfold:
>
> -- that Rebol licensing is unclear for non-profits. The licence only
> distinguishes non-commercial from commercial. As far as I can tell,
that's a
> personal use / corporate use distinction. Where a non-profit who may
have a
> commercial wing (e.g. running thrift shops and the like) fits is not
clear.
> -- I'd like to use View/Pro not just View as I don't want to deploy
> applications with poor security, so I really need the encryption.
There's a
> cost there of USD49 or USD99 per seats. For some NPs that's okay --
I'd tell
> em to stop moaning any pay up. But for poorer ones who need tens of
seats,
> the several thousand dollar mark (even at the lower price) is too
high. I've
> asked RT several times about cheaper licencing or site licensing for
NPs, but
> with no result.
>
> -- Similarly, USD350 is way to much for Command/Pro, with which some
of the
> applications would benefit. Again no sugegstion from RT that a lower
price is
> possible.
>
> -- Encap looked a possibility. But it needs a developer licence for
each
> platform supported, and a cost model assuming I'm selling the
applications
> rather than either donating them or passing them on at cost.
>
> RT are aware of the issues, but move slowly. Here's part of an
earlier
> exchange:
>
> Scott : (RT commercial manger) [talking about IOS, not standalone
Rebol] For
> those Non-Profits that want to host their own server, we are
discussing plans
> right now. Not quite sure what direction it will take, but I'll get
back to
> you for feed back as soon as I can.
>
> Sunanda: Thanks for the info. The sooner you have a pricing
structure, the
> quicker we could start haggling!
> Scott: Sounds fun!
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