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One disk OS + REBOL

 [1/17] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 17-Aug-2000 9:04


I would like to run REBOL/core on a system without a hard drive, only a mere floppy. Any recommendations? --Ryan Ryan Cole Programmer Analyst www.iesco-dms.com 707-468-5400

 [2/17] from: kevin:sunshinecable at: 17-Aug-2000 9:23


> I would like to run REBOL/core on a system without a hard drive, only a > mere floppy. Any recommendations?
You might want to check out the Linux Router Project http://www.linuxrouter.org/ I've not used it, but apparantly they've put together a one-floppy Linux build (with networking support). If you took off some of the utilities, you might have enough space to stick the Rebol interpreter. Cheers, Kev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin McKinnon, System/Network Administrator [kevin--sunshinecable--com] Sunshine Communications http://www.sunshinecable.com PGP Public Key: http://www.dockmaster.net/pgp.html PGP 6.0 www.pgp.com

 [3/17] from: steve:shireman:maxonusa at: 17-Aug-2000 11:31


Bootible Workbench floppy is the only way I can imagine. Haven't tried it, but I suspect it would work. (Even View, I suspect) But do you have an Amiga? Steve Shireman [ryanc--iesco-dms--com] wrote:

 [4/17] from: balayo:mindspring at: 17-Aug-2000 11:35


Howdy, another one-disk wonder is tomsrtbt--it also has some networking support, and is pretty darn cool. -- Insert witty saying here. -tom

 [5/17] from: tim:johnsons-web at: 17-Aug-2000 8:57


I'm very interested in this as well, 1)Do you have a link, sources, etc. Thanks -Tim At 11:35 AM 8/17/00 +0100, you wrote:

 [6/17] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 17-Aug-2000 9:51


An Amiga would would be awesome, but unfortunately this is a mass production lowest cost type of thing. If I could get /View running on a floppy I would go into an ecstatic seizure of convulsionary back flips. --Ryan [steve--shireman--maxonusa--com] wrote:
> Bootible Workbench floppy is the only way I can imagine. > Haven't tried it, but I suspect it would work. (Even View, I suspect)
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> > www.iesco-dms.com > > 707-468-5400
-- Ryan Cole Programmer Analyst www.iesco-dms.com 707-468-5400

 [7/17] from: balayo:mindspring at: 17-Aug-2000 12:16


Howdy Tim, oops. Should have included a link. http://www.toms.net/rb/home.html I'm looking into sticking REBOL on one now :-) -- Spend less time composing sigs. -tom

 [8/17] from: steve:shireman:maxonusa at: 17-Aug-2000 12:35


I think you can get an A1200 for $199, but not sure of your definition of low cost. Also, the 720k floppy might get tight depending on the way you put the TCP/IP in, but again, it is likely you could come up with a configuration that would fit. (But MUI would probaby push it over the edge, so I would recommend a simple TCP/IP stack) Steve Shireman My new analogy for using windoze in embedded space: It's like trying to trim all the fat off of bacon... [ryanc--iesco-dms--com] wrote:

 [9/17] from: kracik:mbox:dkm:cz at: 17-Aug-2000 20:06


Hi, there is this awesome QNX demo on a floppy, with GUI, network drivers, TCP/IP stack, web browser and much more. It's described at http://www.qnx.com/demodisk/how.html Unfortunately you cannot just fit REBOL/Core for QNX on the floppy image, but IMHO when you own the QNX OS you have the tools to make your own floppy. -- Michal Kracik [ryanc--iesco-dms--com] wrote:

 [10/17] from: kolla:nvg:ntnu:no at: 17-Aug-2000 20:01


On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 [steve--shireman--maxonusa--com] wrote:
> I think you can get an A1200 for $199, but not sure of your definition > of low cost. Also, the 720k floppy might get tight depending on the way > you put the TCP/IP in, but again, it is likely you could come up with a > configuration that would fit. (But MUI would probaby push it over the > edge, so I would recommend a simple TCP/IP stack)
The Amiga FFS gives you 880k on a floppy, not 720k, and f.ex the amitcp demo from aminet fits fine on it. -- kolla

 [11/17] from: peoyli:algonet:se at: 17-Aug-2000 12:55


Hi, Maybe QNX would be useable for this.. but.. not even REBOL/Core is available for Neutrino/RTOS yet... Maybe QNX could put together a new demodisk which will fit REBOL/View and some scripts if REBOL Tech asks them (I didn't even have to ask for something..) /PeO

 [12/17] from: holger:rebol at: 17-Aug-2000 14:33


On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:55:03PM -0800, [peoyli--algonet--se] wrote:
> Hi, > > Maybe QNX would be useable for this.. but.. not even REBOL/Core is > available for Neutrino/RTOS yet...
Core is available for QNX 4 RTOS. -- Holger Kruse [holger--rebol--com]

 [13/17] from: paul:may:mcmail at: 21-Aug-2000 22:55


>On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:55:03PM -0800, [peoyli--algonet--se] wrote: >>
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>> available for Neutrino/RTOS yet... >Core is available for QNX 4 RTOS.
Hi Holger. as both you and carl are both Phoenix Platform Consorium registered developers, have you seen the Pre Release QNX RTP (Neutrino/Photon) yet ?. Dan and Gb officially announced the full Phx Developers DL release on the Phx NDA ML the other day , i can forward the link to you and carl if you need it. any other readers that are (or want to be) Phx members , can read the announcment on the Phx ML or email gb at [greenboy--bigsky--net] (cc me a copy too please) if your not taking the ML ATT. if your not currently a registered Phx developer but might like to ask about a special RTP floppy (after carl ports Rebol/*), you might like to take a look at ONE of the first official partnered Phx/RTP related websites at http://qnxstart.com and ask there. PS. Carl you might take note that the qnxstart guys are taking banners/adverts for free for any Phx/RTP related products/projects, perhaps you should have your people send the Rebol banners and stuff, when the RTP goes public (soon), that site will take a hammering <G>. best wishes to all Rebols. -- Paul May, Manchester, UK *Phoenix* Core Director

 [14/17] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 22-Aug-2000 8:08


[PAUL--MAY--MCMAIL--COM] wrote:
> >On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 12:55:03PM -0800, [peoyli--algonet--se] wrote: > >>
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> developers, have you seen the Pre Release QNX RTP > (Neutrino/Photon) yet ?.
I contacted Holger regarding the issue personally, and he replied to me they will look into it ... Regards, -pekr-

 [15/17] from: steve:shireman:maxonusa at: 23-Aug-2000 9:31


I did finally play around with this this morning, and came up with a bootible View diskette, using 498k of 880k. This is without adding the TCP/IP libraries yet. Here are the contents of the bootable diskette. df0:c/LoadWB df0:s/Startup-Sequence df0:libs/asl.library df0:libs/mathieeedoubtrans.library df0:libs/diskfont.library df0:rebol/rebol df0:rebol/user.r And I opened a window with view, after booting with the floppy. Got a rush of excitement comparing this to Multimedia players of old (AVision, Scala, etc.) Steve Shireman The future is here, the future is now... Firesign Theatre in "We're All Bozos On This Bus" [ryanc--iesco-dms--com] wrote:

 [16/17] from: ryanc:iesco-dms at: 23-Aug-2000 10:45


COOL!!!!! As is, that is perfect for a stand alone system. Of course being online is much funner. Another method has occurred to me that offers many benifits. Web Thin Client: 1. Boot disk loads boot strap OS, TCP/IP, PPP, and FTP. 2. Binary program or shell script facilitates connection, download, execution of REBOL and other needed components. The main benifit is of course the boot disk contains the bare minimums, to get on the web anyways, leaving more room for drivers. Once online you could download as much junk as you need to make things go--like a web browser, printer drivers, etc. Best of all, I have a disk at home that already does the first step. Now all we need is office and desktop app's in REBOL. Anybody working on this sort of thing? BTW, excellent work Steve. You should post what you have somewhere for someone who just needs a stand alone View system. Although, if you can fit the TCP/IP lib's, all the better! --Ryan [steve--shireman--maxonusa--com] wrote:
> I did finally play around with this this morning, and came up with a > bootible View diskette, using 498k of 880k.
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> > www.iesco-dms.com > > 707-468-5400
-- Ryan Cole Programmer Analyst www.iesco-dms.com 707-468-5400

 [17/17] from: petr:krenzelok:trz:cz at: 23-Aug-2000 21:49


[ryanc--iesco-dms--com] wrote:
> COOL!!!!! As is, that is perfect for a stand alone system. Of course being online > is much funner. Another method has occurred to me that offers many benifits. Web
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> just needs a stand alone View system. Although, if you can fit the TCP/IP lib's, > all the better!
OK, first there was a promise of REBOL OS - MagmaOS. Later we were told that's not the plan ... In building bootable diskette OS I would consider following systems: - QNX RtP - Scales well and their "floppyOS" demo is quite amazing - inet connection, full guiOS, web browser, web app - dunno if there's enough space for /View binary though :-) - upcoming AmigaOS - hopefully will scale well too. What counts for Amiverse and QNX RtP is - they are both multiplatform. - Linux - linux is free even for commercial purposes, and while I prefer above two architectures because of their technological excelency, aspect of royalty free solution is - well - strong ... Now the question: - we have multiplatform binaries of REBOL. When thinking about bootableOS - how much work would it require for RT to program some other layers to make REBOL an "OS"? Would it make sense? We can see all that new OSes (even Linux) suffering from drivers lackage etc etc. Would it make sense to reinvent the wheel? Maybe possible one reason could be Amiga and QNX RtP (will) require us to pay some licence fees when used commercially ... Now back to reality .... where's new /View promised two days ago? ;-) -pekr-

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