Popularity
[1/11] from: hallvard::ystad::gmail::com at: 24-Jan-2006 20:19
For those of you conserned with rebol's popularity in the world of
programming, it might be an interesting task to try to get rebol into the
top 50 most popular programming languages: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm.
Euphoria just made it.
HY
[2/11] from: SunandaDH:aol at: 24-Jan-2006 16:39
Hallvard:
> For those of you conserned with rebol's popularity in the world of
> programming, it might be an interesting task to try to get rebol into the
> top 50 most popular programming languages:
A discussion on reboltalk suggests REBOL was briefly in the list last year:
http://reboltalk.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=212&s=19f111f09cc0cd808f29c
a7af2b3fe05
Sunanda
[3/11] from: carl::cybercraft::co::nz at: 25-Jan-2006 7:36
On Tuesday, 24-January-2006 at 16:39:11 SunandaDH wrote,
>Hallvard:
>> For those of you conserned with rebol's popularity in the world of
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
>http://reboltalk.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=212&s=19f111f09cc0cd808f29c
>a7af2b3fe05
This looks like an archive of last year's results...
http://www.codesky.net/article/doc/200311/2003112375792329.htm
Finally, FYI. We started monitoring the programming languages AppleScript, BCPL, Oberon,
Occam, and Slate. We stopped keeping track of A+, REALBasic, and Rebol.
I guess that means REBOL didn't go up at all, or actually went down.
-- Carl Read.
[4/11] from: tim-johnsons:web at: 25-Jan-2006 9:54
* Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> [060124 19:41]:
> On Tuesday, 24-January-2006 at 16:39:11 SunandaDH wrote,
> >
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
> >> programming, it might be an interesting task to try to get rebol into the
> >> top 50 most popular programming languages:
I really feel sad reading this. When I started using rebol, I
expected it to take the programming world by storm.
Right now, if I were approached by a potential client who wanted a
product (say a website) developed with resale in mind, I would have to
recommend to that client that we use python because it is a widely
used language and would increase the "value" of the site.
And that is really too bad, because rebol just runs rings around
python in terms of sheer productivity. And it is a delight to code
in, really much more fun than python..... (no offense meant to python,
as it is soundly engineered and scales well).
I feel like rebol is in sort of a "catch-22" where the low level of
usage contraindicates usage and contributes to maintaining that low
level.
[sigh]
tim
> >A discussion on reboltalk suggests REBOL was briefly in the list last year:
> >http://reboltalk.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=7&t=212&s=19f111f09cc0cd808f29c
<<quoted lines omitted: 9>>
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[5/11] from: carl:cybercraft at: 25-Jan-2006 23:48
On Wednesday, 25-January-2006 at 9:54:08 Tim Johnson wrote,
> I feel like rebol is in sort of a "catch-22" where the low level of
> usage contraindicates usage and contributes to maintaining that low
> level.
My feeling is it'll stay there too, unless plugins are released for the main browsers
(of all the main OSs) and it goes open-source. The plugins are important as I think
the browser is the desktop of the future - think REBOL vs AJAX. And it needs to be open-source
because many won't touch a language that isn't, and a high percentage of those who won't
are loud voices on the Net. Meaning to be talked about these days requires it to be
open-source.
Apart from the plugin only supporting IE, REBOL's in quite good shape now. The docs
are good, it's on OS X and rebcode's there for those who need speedy routines. Maybe
it'd be enough if the rough-ends were tidied up (OS X version leaves beta and so on)
and the plugin appeared on the other browsers. It'd require some really interesting
software to be produced for the plugin though - and for it to get a mention here and
there.
-- Carl Read.
[6/11] from: tim-johnsons::web::com at: 25-Jan-2006 13:00
* Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> [060125 11:12]:
> On Wednesday, 25-January-2006 at 9:54:08 Tim Johnson wrote,
> > I feel like rebol is in sort of a "catch-22" where the low level of
<<quoted lines omitted: 4>>
> plugins are important as I think the browser is the desktop of the
> future - think REBOL vs AJAX. And it needs to be open-source because
Rebol could be awesome as an alternative to AJAX.
> many won't touch a language that isn't, and a high percentage of those
> who won't are loud voices on the Net. Meaning to be talked about
> these days requires it to be open-source.
> Apart from the plugin only supporting IE, REBOL's in quite good shape now.
The availability of plugins for firefox and the ease of installation is
going to "sell" the browser big-time, IMHO.
Having a rebol plugin fore firefox could then help "sell" rebol.
> The docs are good, it's on OS X and rebcode's there for those
> who need speedy routines. Maybe it'd be enough if the rough-ends were
> tidied up (OS X version leaves beta and so on) and the plugin appeared
> on the other browsers. It'd require some really interesting software
> to be produced for the plugin though - and for it to get a mention
> here and there.
Does rebol as a plugin for IE have the ability to interact with the
DOM? Or to the same affect?
tim
> -- Carl Read.
>
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[7/11] from: carl::cybercraft::co::nz at: 26-Jan-2006 8:07
On Wednesday, 25-January-2006 at 13:00:30 Tim Johnson wrote,
> Does rebol as a plugin for IE have the ability to interact with the
> DOM? Or to the same affect?
Hmm - it's not something I know much about, but does this answer your question...
http://www.rebol.net/plugin/tests/plugin-guide.html#section-5
?
-- Carl Read.
[8/11] from: rebol-list2:seznam:cz at: 28-Mar-2006 22:08
Hello Tim,
Thursday, January 26, 2006, 12:00:30 AM, you wrote:
TJ> * Carl Read <carl-cybercraft.co.nz> [060125 11:12]:
>>
>> On Wednesday, 25-January-2006 at 9:54:08 Tim Johnson wrote,
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
>> plugins are important as I think the browser is the desktop of the
>> future - think REBOL vs AJAX. And it needs to be open-source because
TJ> Rebol could be awesome as an alternative to AJAX.
AJAX is nothing, it's just a way how to call server without need to
reload all the page. How you can compare Rebol and AJAX?
Will you make FLASH compiler in AJAX? NO Will you make scripts for
data mining in AJAX? No. So what?
I'm using the XMLHttpRequestObj, but I know, that some browser do not support it,
so I still must do normal version as well. It's still just a HTML with
all the disadvanteges HTML has.
>> many won't touch a language that isn't, and a high percentage of those
>> who won't are loud voices on the Net. Meaning to be talked about
>> these days requires it to be open-source.
And I don't like the talks about open-sources. Yes, I do open source
scripts, do I need open-sourced Rebol? No. Most of the people talking that
want Rebol to be open-source even don't try to do "probe system" in
Rebol itself. Maybe mr. B.G. would like to see Rebol's code to make
another system to be sold for I don't know how much billions.
I don't mind that people don't know Rebol yet. If they are
lucky with XML or anything else, let them be happy with that.
For me it's important that I can do what I do.
I event don't need the Rebol3 so much.
>> Apart from the plugin only supporting IE, REBOL's in quite good shape now.
TJ> The availability of plugins for firefox and the ease of installation is
TJ> going to "sell" the browser big-time, IMHO.
TJ> Having a rebol plugin fore firefox could then help "sell" rebol.
Most of my scripts I use are not suitable to be in browser. But anyway,
I would like to see Rebol in Firefox. But in browser you are missing
all the fun which you can do with console.
I don't think that Rebol will replace Flash from web. And it's not
designed to do that. Flash is very limited because of security
limitations and I like that Rebol is not. I was trying to do something
with Flex (Flash 8.5 API) and was not able even to do "hello world" in
it, but still there is so many people talking about it on osflash
mailing list. Maybe because it's so difficult to do something, that
must talk about it. Do I want to make my visions in XML? I'm sure I
don't want to. But I'm not going to mail to all these people: hay, you
should use something else.
>> The docs are good, it's on OS X and rebcode's there for those
>> who need speedy routines. Maybe it'd be enough if the rough-ends were
>> tidied up (OS X version leaves beta and so on) and the plugin appeared
>> on the other browsers. It'd require some really interesting software
>> to be produced for the plugin though - and for it to get a mention
>> here and there.
TJ> Does rebol as a plugin for IE have the ability to interact with the
TJ> DOM? Or to the same affect?
why not? of course it is.
TJ> tim
>> -- Carl Read.
>>
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TJ> --
TJ> Tim Johnson <tim-johnsons-web.com>
TJ> http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com
--
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[9/11] from: tim-johnsons:web at: 28-Mar-2006 18:17
* rebOldes <rebol-list2-seznam.cz> [060328 14:46]:
> Hello Tim,
>
> TJ> Rebol could be awesome as an alternative to AJAX.
>
> AJAX is nothing, it's just a way how to call server without need to
> reload all the page.
That *is* something.
> How you can compare Rebol and AJAX?
AJAX is javascript.
Rebol is *far* more code-efficient than javascript, from my
experience. If Rebol could interact with both the DOM and the server,
that would be of benefit to me. That way I wouldn't have to code so
much javascript.
> TJ> Does rebol as a plugin for IE have the ability to interact with the
> TJ> DOM? Or to the same affect?
>
> why not? of course it is.
There you go... bingo!
tj
--
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http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com
[10/11] from: carl:cybercraft at: 29-Mar-2006 21:37
On Tuesday, 28-March-2006 at 22:08:42 rebOldes wrote,
>Hello Tim,
>Thursday, January 26, 2006, 12:00:30 AM, you wrote:
<<quoted lines omitted: 6>>
>AJAX is nothing, it's just a way how to call server without need to
>reload all the page. How you can compare Rebol and AJAX?
I wasn't, but in-browser apps are gaining in popularity and it's a domain REBOL could
be competing in. Till now, REBOL's been of most benifit to developers, as users haven't
a clue what's running behind a website and View apps have a non-standard GUI for them
to learn. Within the browser though, apps are non-standard by default and so REBOL's
GUI wouldn't be a hinderance, so REBOL's speed and responsiveness would be an obvious
plus to the user.
>I don't mind that people don't know Rebol yet. If they are
>lucky with XML or anything else, let them be happy with that.
>For me it's important that I can do what I do.
>I event don't need the Rebol3 so much.
A programming language needs a reasonable amount of popularity before adverts for programmers
in it will show up on a regular basis. And until they do, most programmers are not going
to feel it's worth their while to learn it as it's not going to help them get a job.
For REBOL to get out of that bind it'll need to obviously excel in some area or another.
I think that area is in-browser apps. If there's two websites doing much the same thing
and one is much faster and more responsive than the other, then all else being equal
it's the faster one that's going to attract the users. And REBOL apps in a browser can
even load fast on dialup.
Get some users liking REBOL and the world will take notice.
-- Carl Read.
[11/11] from: rebol-list2:seznam:cz at: 2-Apr-2006 14:20
Hello Tim,
Wednesday, March 29, 2006, 5:17:37 AM, you wrote:
TJ> * rebOldes <rebol-list2-seznam.cz> [060328 14:46]:
>>
>> Hello Tim,
<<quoted lines omitted: 3>>
>> AJAX is nothing, it's just a way how to call server without need to
>> reload all the page.
TJ> That *is* something.
>> How you can compare Rebol and AJAX?
TJ> AJAX is javascript.
TJ> Rebol is *far* more code-efficient than javascript, from my
TJ> experience. If Rebol could interact with both the DOM and the server,
TJ> that would be of benefit to me. That way I wouldn't have to code so
TJ> much javascript.
>>
>> TJ> Does rebol as a plugin for IE have the ability to interact with the
>> TJ> DOM? Or to the same affect?
>>
>> why not? of course it is.
TJ> There you go... bingo!
TJ> tj
but the plagin is now almost useless as you can run only one
instance:-(
Maybe in the future it will be better. I will be the first whou will
give it next try.
d.
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