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brave souls wanted

 [1/14] from: gchiu::compkarori::co::nz at: 6-Nov-2002 10:03


I need some brave souls, as it were, to enter the underground and test my anti-spam tool 'Cerebrus'. :) The docs are at http://www.compkarori.com/cerebrus/index.html and the dowload urls for the binaries/data file is documented there. It's an encapped windows program, and I'm hoping it will work with any email client. Thanks, -- Graham Chiu

 [2/14] from: carl:s:rebol at: 5-Nov-2002 16:32


Graham, count me in. BTW, my primary client is Eudora, so we'll see how it does with that. If this does the job, it will make life so much easier for us. -Carl At 10:03 AM 11/6/02 +1300, Graham Chiu wrote:

 [3/14] from: tomc:darkwing:uoregon at: 5-Nov-2002 16:52


Carl.. does your boss know you are frittering time away on the newsgroup? :) On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Carl at REBOL wrote:

 [4/14] from: carl:s:rebol at: 5-Nov-2002 17:23


:) -- I've not done this in a while... hang out that is. Hope it's ok. Something that really helped... set up another (5th) computer on my desk that just sits here with Eudora open all day. At 04:52 PM 11/5/02 -0800, you wrote:

 [5/14] from: al:bri:xtra at: 6-Nov-2002 15:07


Graham wrote:
> I need some brave souls, as it were, to enter the underground and test my
anti-spam tool 'Cerebrus'. :) I'll give it a go with my Windows XP machine with Outlook Express email program. (I'm getting awfully tired of all the Nigerian cons, porn and viagra spam I've been getting.) Andrew Martin ICQ: 26227169 http://valley.150m.com/

 [6/14] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 6-Nov-2002 15:00


Hey Carl, Don't stop now. We are all being greatly reassured by your presence here! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl at REBOL"
> :) -- I've not done this in a while... hang out that is. Hope it's ok. >
-- Graham

 [7/14] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 6-Nov-2002 15:45


----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Martin"
> I'll give it a go with my Windows XP machine with Outlook Express email > program. (I'm getting awfully tired of all the Nigerian cons, porn and > viagra spam I've been getting.) >
Hi Andrew, I am getting about 20-40 spam email per day which is pretty distracting. I've now reduced it to less than 2 per day entering my InBox, and most days none :) Cerebrus is pretty strict about the email so you do have to spend some time creating your whitelists etc. especially for mailing lists as it generally will flag all bulk mail as spam. Sometimes it will flag good email as spam, so you do need to cast an eye over the mailbox that you are going to route the spam mail to. For instance I got an email today from Gabriele that was flagged as spam as one of the email servers his ISP uses is listed as a spam source :( -- Graham

 [8/14] from: al:bri:xtra at: 6-Nov-2002 15:36


Graham wrote:
> I need some brave souls, as it were, to enter the underground and test my
anti-spam tool 'Cerebrus'. :) I've been trying it out and it got a spam email in the first try! :) One little problem: I changed my Outlook Express message rules for [spam?] to delete the message from the server, and Cerebus didn't understand it. Outlook Express responded with: The server responded with an error. Account: 'pop3.xtra.co.nz', Server: 'localhost', Protocol: POP3, Server Response: '-ERR unsupported command', Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: 0x800CCC90 But otherwise, looks good. Andrew Martin ICQ: 26227169 http://valley.150m.com/

 [9/14] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 6-Nov-2002 16:23


----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Martin"
> One little problem: I changed my Outlook Express message rules for [spam?] > to delete the message from the server, and Cerebus didn't understand it.
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> Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: > 0x800CCC90
Hi Andrew, That's a Cerebrus generated message sent back to OE. I've only used OE for a week for testing purposes so am not too familiar with it. I presume that you have downloaded the message, but you have also left a copy on the server? And now you want to delete it from the server? I wonder what command OE sent. Can you check the Cerebrus.log file to see what it was? Thanks, --Graham

 [10/14] from: al:bri:xtra at: 6-Nov-2002 17:04


Graham wrote:
> I wonder what command OE sent. Can you check the Cerebrus.log file to see
what it was? I've sent this directly. Andrew Martin ICQ: 26227169 http://valley.150m.com/

 [11/14] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 6-Nov-2002 22:13


----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Martin"
> One little problem: I changed my Outlook Express message rules for [spam?] > to delete the message from the server, and Cerebus didn't understand it.
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> Port: 110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90, Error Number: > 0x800CCC90
Hi Andrew, I did some tracing on OE when you set the message rule to delete the message from the server when the subject line matchs [spam?]. What happens is that OE issues a TOP command for each unread message. That is, it fetches the message header for each unread message. Now since Cerebrus has yet to alter the subject line, the rule will always fail. So, at this time, there is a *disadvantage* in using the "delete from server" action, unless of course you have other rules that take advantage of header information. However, since most of the spam can be spotted from the header, it inspires me to do a spam check on a TOP command as well so that you will be saved from downloading the full message when it is spam. However, this means you will have put a greater trust in Cerebrus than I currently have !!! I've already implemented the TOP command, and hopefully will get the rest done in the weekend. --- Graham

 [12/14] from: g:santilli:tiscalinet:it at: 6-Nov-2002 11:21


Hi Carl, On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 2:23:51 AM, you wrote: CaR> :) -- I've not done this in a while... hang out that is. Hope it's ok. Carl... we are very, very, very, very happy to see you on this list. :-) (BTW, I sent a mail to you last month, probably got lost somewhere. Maybe now is the right time to try to resend? :) Regards, Gabriele. -- Gabriele Santilli <[g--santilli--tiscalinet--it]> -- REBOL Programmer Amigan -- AGI L'Aquila -- REB: http://web.tiscali.it/rebol/index.r

 [13/14] from: rgaither:triad:rr at: 6-Nov-2002 9:00


On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, at 05:21 AM, Gabriele Santilli wrote:
> Hi Carl, > > On Wednesday, November 6, 2002, 2:23:51 AM, you wrote: > > CaR> :) -- I've not done this in a while... hang out that is. Hope > it's ok. > > Carl... we are very, very, very, very happy to see you on this > list. :-)
I'll second that! It makes a huge difference to have any of the RT folks hanging out. There is something about even a little comment that really helps the community feel connected to RT. It is a real treat for us to have that connection with the source of the product. Thanks, Rod. Rod Gaither [rgaither--triad--rr--com] Oak Ridge, NC USA

 [14/14] from: gchiu:compkarori at: 7-Nov-2002 17:29


On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:32:37 -0800 Carl at REBOL <[carl--s--rebol--com]> wrote:
>Graham, count me in. BTW, my primary client is Eudora,
Great. I would like to test with as many different clients as possible.
>so we'll see how it does with that. >If this does the job, it will make life so much easier >for us. >
Ahh yes, the big *if* :) -- Graham Chiu

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